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[Reelya]

My point was that the term Neo-Nazi itself just dumbs down the whole thing. It implies that all the people you're talking about have an ideology that stems from the Nazis, which in a way discounts how much of this is local racism that predates, and has nothing to do with, Germany. Even among far-right members of the police, the vast majority of that subset are not Nazis.

Nazi becomes meaningless because it's thrown around too much. Laci Green is a Nazi according to a lot of people. Everyone's a Nazi now, and since Nazi is the worst thing to call someone, a bigoted cop is now classed the same as a guy who wants to genocide half the planet in gas chambers.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Bigoted cops are exactly the type of people who would put half the planet in gas chambers. They simply lack the means and public support at this time. And so it falls to murdering people they don't care to see existing on a one-to-one basis.

The Nazis weren't fuckin devil supervillians and their beliefs aren't some great filter that most people reject. They're mundane and the wackier elements of Nazi ideology are just the nerds. The average Nazi was some guy who believed in German destiny, a destiny that had no place for the untermensch.

Neo-Nazis are everybody who picks that up and they don't have to go all American History X to believe in the shit. The ideological strain of fascism didn't start with the Nazis or even the people who coined the word fascism. The KKK are fascists. Colonialists are fascists. Half the modern Republican party are *cough cough* classical liberals.

Go look at a comment section on a major site, any of them, and you can observe with your own eyes how mainstreamed it really is. This isn't some idle charge. The cops are Nazi scum. Not some vague "everybody who disagrees with the dreaded far-left", not whatever ridiculous persecution fantasy Republican voters have. The cops murder people on a racial basis and get Nazi imagery tattoos to identify each other. What other ideology would you have them assigned?

[Reelya]

Uh, not Nazis, because the Nazis are a specific group.

Just as dumb as calling everyone to the left of Obama a Stalinist.

[Dozebôm Lolumzalěs]

What do you mean, “cough cough”? How on earth are you calling classical liberals fascists? Or do you mean something else?

[Doomblade187]

Okay. MSH, I agree with you, but please calm down. Bahammers and such .
Edit: tad drunk, don't mean to offend.

[SalmonGod]

Uh, not Nazis, because the Nazis are a specific group.

Just as dumb as calling everyone to the left of Obama a Stalinist.

I get the very strong impression that language has evolved beyond Nazis being a specific group with contained membership.  It's a descriptor now.  That's simply how the word is used.  And I'm all for protecting words having specific meanings, and guarding against language being twisted in abusable ways.  But not so far as to not recognize when language evolves, and deny that the common parlance of a day is valid.

Fascist could be used as a more general term, not referring to a specific group of people, but that one has issues too that plenty of people would be quick to point out if they wanted to be semantic.  Such as the flavor of bigotry today not relating to the economic aspect of fascism, especially in the USA.

I think you're also wrong about one of your central arguments.

Racism in the United States does predate Nazis.  But racism in the USA today is not strictly a continuation of the same racism of the slave era.  I think that the fascist movements (especially Nazis) of the early 20th century have inspired the evolution of racism and other bigotries over time.  So yeah, the racism itself may predate nazis, but its current expression does not.

[Doomblade187]

Black Security Guard helps stop shooting, gets killed by responding police.

[Egan_BW]

My instinct is to say something snarky about "good guys with guns" but honestly it seems in bad taste somehow.

[Doomblade187]

My instinct is to say something snarky about "good guys with guns" but honestly it seems in bad taste somehow.

No, that sums up the comments of the site I found it on. Basically, the point being that people keep supporting the thought of good guys with guns, but it doesn't seem to work out well for people of color.

[Maximum Spin]

So wait, the good guy with the gun successfully stopped the shooting, then the police screw it up and murder him, and this somehow means the police should have been the only ones armed in the situation?!

If you ask me, the police should've been the only ones unarmed in this situation because they have proven too many times that they are useless.

[Egan_BW]

That would be giving good guys guns AND taking guns away from bad guys. The perfect compromise.

[nenjin]

I think the lesson here is to just flee the scene of anything these days. Your chances of survival are higher than waiting around for the cops to show up so you can die doing your civic duty.

[RedKing]

I think the lesson here is to just flee the scene of anything these days. Your chances of survival are higher than waiting around for the cops to show up so you can die doing your civic duty.

Unless you're black. Fleeing anything while black is a capital offense, as has been proven multiple times. Apparently nothing is so dangerous as a Doppler-redshifted black ass pointed at a cop.

[SOLDIER First]

The only offense higher than being black is fleeing while black, as has been demonstrated.

[Doomblade187]

Another Ferguson, MO activist has died.

Cause and nature of death unknown.  Bassem Masri.