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[forsaken1111]

I really liked the old "hand drawn" map styles

[Urist McScoopbeard]

I wish we could just let this non-game die. It was a test case for many people on the validity of kickstarter--it failed--I just wish we could move on from it. Especially now, since this development hell has blown up, you can be sure that it. will. never. be. done. Let the dev go, money back or not, this project can no longer be accomplished. At all.

[forsaken1111]

I wish we could just let this non-game die. It was a test case for many people on the validity of kickstarter--it failed--I just wish we could move on from it. Especially now, since this development hell has blown up, you can be sure that it. will. never. be. done. Let the dev go, money back or not, this project can no longer be accomplished. At all.

so long as the dev is working on it, it's not dead

[Cthulhu]

It is dead.  After months of no information except that the AI needs to be reworked he came back to tell us he changed the map again, and this time it looks awful.

It's dead.  Josh may also be insane.

[Xantalos]

I do agree it's from all appearances passed into the realm of vaporware, but I like to wistfully speculate about what could've been. 

[nenjin]

Yeah. I'm not sure who decides that an AI problem that derailed a beta release is something that should just go on, like it's a cake that's taking longer to cook than expected, and meanwhile reworks other parts of the game with that time. Seems like they'e basically back in development mode now, forget alpha or any of that noise. Which means they can one day just quietly slip away should they decide it's not worth finishing.

[Cthulhu]

I'm honestly a little worried about his mental state after that.  To come back with a map update after all this, he's either got balls the size of the sun or he's completely out of touch with the reality of his situation.

[ThtblovesDF]

He didn't read the forum or anything else really.

[Darkmere]

This is almost edging out Towns in terms of entertainment value. Slight advantage to Towns for actually existing.

[Hanzoku]

He's out of touch with reality, is what I get from the snippets posted here. Not going to speculate on what's going on with him mentally, but he definitely doesn't communicate with anyone, and has long periods where he wasn't even talking with his partner.

[Ghazkull]

There is also Option Three:

He said "fuck it" and started from the beginning and what we are seeing here is in fact the entire game progressing again because he started from scratch.

[Shadowgandor]

They had some issues displaying the info and showing the mechanics without overloading the user with info. The map rework might have had something to do with that. I'm just hopeful

[E. Albright]

I'm honestly a little worried about his mental state after that.  To come back with a map update after all this, he's either got balls the size of the sun or he's completely out of touch with the reality of his situation.

It's also possible that the AI issue still seems intractable, but the dev needs to do something successfully and to completion, psychologically speaking. In grad school I saw a situation up-close that looked disturbingly close to his, in terms of the psychology displayed by someone burning out, and if it is like that then doing something he can actually complete may appear to be (and may actually be) a lifeline to pull himself out of the pit.

[nenjin]

I'm honestly a little worried about his mental state after that.  To come back with a map update after all this, he's either got balls the size of the sun or he's completely out of touch with the reality of his situation.

It's also possible that the AI issue still seems intractable, but the dev needs to do something successfully and to completion, psychologically speaking. In grad school I saw a situation up-close that looked disturbingly close to his, in terms of the psychology displayed by someone burning out, and if it is like that then doing something he can actually complete may appear to be (and may actually be) a lifeline to pull himself out of the pit.

In truth I think every nascent game designer has experienced this. You get an idea, it enthralls you, you work and work and work before realizing....you can't make your vision a reality. Granted, KDG has produced something that could actually qualify as a game at this point, but it wouldn't be what he'd actually wanted.

This whole thing reminds me of Net Gain. A promising game with a complicated premise that got about 50% of the way there and then fell down the rabbit hole.

[Cthulhu]

The other one I'm reminded of is Cult.  I'm not sure if I read this on somethingawful or if it was from Ultima Ratio Regum's devblog, but that was another one we probably should've seen coming after the dev posted proof of concept demos with none of the actual concept.

It also got kickstarted, but I didn't back it because I didn't see it panning out.  This one I'm a little sore about, so I don't have the same sympathy some of you guys have.  Either he deleted the original game we saw in the videos or it never existed, and either way I feel like I was misled.

No more kickstarter for me, at any rate.