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[Sheb]

When I saw it was you posting, my first though was "No Kot, Winged Hussars don't defeat the Daleks".

[MetalSlimeHunt]

What the heck are Xeelee?

The Xeelee are an alien race who are the undisputed masters of baryonic matter in the universe. They have technology beyond the scope of any other such species, including runner up humanity, who for all their power only manage to repeatedly fuck up all the carefully laid megaprojects the Xeelee are invested in and never achieve any real victories.

To give an idea of the kind of technology we're talking about here: The Xeelee are the creators of the Great Attractor. The Xeelee have seeded the timeline up to this point with machines that contain automated creation procedures for their species, allowing them to essentially make themselves from dust at any point in time. The Xeelee have a time-traveling AI called the Anti-Xeelee that resists changes to time that are non-optimal for the Xeelee.

The only threat to them in-universe are a species made of dark matter instead of baryonic matter, the Photino Birds.

[Kot]

When I saw it was you posting, my first though was "No Kot, Winged Hussars don't defeat the Daleks".

Well, it was shown that Dalek Gunstick beam could reflect back and destroy the Dalek if it struck a reflective surface.
Winged Hussars are pretty much covered in reflective surfaces because bling of war.

Thus, Winged Hussars defeat the Daleks.

[Sheb]

From what setting are they?

Anyway, I just though of the real reason Star Wars would beat Star Trek. Star Trek FTL is SLOW. If war broke out on the Frontier, the first thing Starfleet would know about it is when Star Destroyer shows up in Earth Orbit.

So:

Time Lords > Dalek > Xeelee > Star Wars > Honorverse > Star Trek > Imperium of Man > Battlestar Galactica

[Sergarr]

Honorverse > Star Trek

them's the fighting words m8

[MetalSlimeHunt]

From what setting are they?

Xeelee Sequence. (It's that sort of thing.)

[Kot]

Completly seriously now, why Imperium of Man is so low? I mean, okay, not going to argue with Doctor Who circlejerk and Star Wars vs Imperium of Man question is old as fuck and has been resolved both ways, but Star Trek? Seriously? Those guys have barely any real weaponry, their FTL is proably even slower than Warp and so on.
As for Honorverse, I am not really sure but it seems it would have won even with Star Wars in space pretty easily, just by looking at the weaponry.

Also, this is all only space combat.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

We sort of run into an issue when it comes to the Imperium due to scale. Taken all together, the Imperium could defeat all of Star Trek, but it would be through drowning their worlds in the wreckage of Imperial ships. One on one, the Imperium can't beat Trek because Trek ships are very small, very powerful for their size, and highly versatile.

It's like trying to fight patrol cutters with an aircraft carrier, except all the cutters have destroyer-level armament. Radically outside the norm.

While it's absolutely in character for the Imperium to throw people at a problem until they drown it with their corpses, it still puts Trek at a technically higher power level.

[Sergarr]

Also, add Halo to the list. Below Imperium of Man.

[Taricus]

To be fair though, it's not just the ships that should be taken into account, the ability to also take and hold planets should also be included.

[mainiac]

Star Wars has casual interstellar travel and many, many thousands of years of technological stagnation at a level that is far beyond Trek.

The only technology that exists in Star Wars but not Star Trek is lightsabers.  All they do is "bigger".  A blaster has no place in Star Trek because it's hopelessly primitive to be shooting slow plasma at your enemy when you could be hitting them at the speed of light with energy that doesn't even travel in the same physical dimensions as their armor occupies.  In Star Wars slow plasma are the height of offensive technology.

Star Trek has replicators, no Star Wars equivalent.  Star Trek has sun destroying technology, no Star Wars equivalent. Star Trek has cloaking devices, no Star Wars equivalent.  Star Trek has computers capable of running complex physical simulations, no Star Wars equivalent.

It's thousands of years of technological stagnation alright.  But it sure aint beyond Trek.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Bigger is better, and you're also discounting the Force.

[mainiac]

Bigger is better

So a 16th century Galleon is a better weapon then an attack helicopter?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

It is if that Galleon has flak guns on it. The weapons gap is minuscule.

[mainiac]

The weapons gap is minuscule.

Not remotely.

And this is a very roundabout argument.  You said bigger was better but now you are saying bigger is better because they are the same.  It seems like the bigger is better statement was completely freaking irrelevant.