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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1695 on: April 09, 2015, 09:37:02 am »

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« Reply #1696 on: April 09, 2015, 11:16:46 am »

I actually completely forgot what my question was...

It was probably something about what would need to fall into place in order for worlds to become significantly larger so that we aren't talking about countries or continents the size of Europe... but rather world spanning games.

Assuming there are plans for that ever to be possible


Well, one factor is increased computing speed and memory size. Possibly 64-bit and/or parallelization to make it run faster.
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« Reply #1697 on: April 09, 2015, 06:12:59 pm »

A foot race... Will there be other sports? Dwarfs vs Goblins football?
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« Reply #1698 on: April 09, 2015, 06:57:27 pm »

I actually completely forgot what my question was...

It was probably something about what would need to fall into place in order for worlds to become significantly larger so that we aren't talking about countries or continents the size of Europe... but rather world spanning games.

Assuming there are plans for that ever to be possible


Well, one factor is increased computing speed and memory size. Possibly 64-bit and/or parallelization to make it run faster.
ToadyOne talked about parallelization, and doesn't belive it'll off much to DF. Though that topic been discussed to death elsewhere. Generally ends with folks saying that because DF wasn't made with parallelization from the start, that it'd be a similar project to just restarting DF from nearly scratch.
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« Reply #1699 on: April 09, 2015, 08:30:14 pm »

I actually completely forgot what my question was...

It was probably something about what would need to fall into place in order for worlds to become significantly larger so that we aren't talking about countries or continents the size of Europe... but rather world spanning games.

Assuming there are plans for that ever to be possible


Well, one factor is increased computing speed and memory size. Possibly 64-bit and/or parallelization to make it run faster.
ToadyOne talked about parallelization, and doesn't belive it'll off much to DF. Though that topic been discussed to death elsewhere. Generally ends with folks saying that because DF wasn't made with parallelization from the start, that it'd be a similar project to just restarting DF from nearly scratch.
Has the difference between multi-threading/concurrency and parallelization been discussed? From what I've seen, we've all talked to death the fact that Dwarf Fortress wasn't designed for multi-threading... But, I don't know about anyone else, but I didn't know the difference between parallelization and concurrency until (recently) I saw this: http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/CPP/C-PP-Con-2014/Overview-of-Parallel-Programming-in-CPP And if I understand correct from that talk, performing the same calculation (e.g. pathfinding, temperature updates, maybe AI choices) on massive sets of data at once (e.g. every creature on the map, every object and tile on the map) simply isn't suitable for multi-threading (concurrency) regardless of program design, but is very much suited for parallelization -- basically, as long as within the same type of calculation no two objects depend on the results of the other's current calculation of the same type, only the state from the previous tick, and as long as it isn't more if-else branching than actual calculating, then it might be as simple as flagging the loops in question to compile to code that tells the processor, in effect, "See how we're performing the same calculation on all the entries in this list? Feel free to run as many of them at the same time as you can," and then processors have a lot of different non-thready ways to achieve that. (Of course, it's possible that as time goes on compilers will get good at spotting those situations without any help from the programmer and that sort of code will end up happening automatically, but I imagine if, say, it would work except for one thing that makes it not valid/safe/whatever, explicitly asking for it would prompt the compiler to tell you what you need to correct in order for it to happen.) Just my thoughts after seeing that talk, anyway; I'm sure Toady will figure out what will work best at some point in looking at optimizations.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #1700 on: April 10, 2015, 04:25:17 am »

A foot race... Will there be other sports? Dwarfs vs Goblins football?

A foot race... Will there be other sports? Dwarfs vs Goblins football?

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« Reply #1701 on: April 10, 2015, 04:59:30 am »

A bloodbowl-like sport within Dwarf Fortress would be awesome with the DF combat system :D
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« Reply #1702 on: April 10, 2015, 09:32:13 am »

Since this will (hopefully) be a shorter development cycle on the new release, will the corresponding post-release bugfix drive also be shorter, or do you just fix bugs until you're bored of fixing bugs?
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« Reply #1703 on: April 12, 2015, 02:15:01 am »

The since the knowledge system appears to be "theory" based, what about wrong theories? Such as theories that everything is made of earth, fire, water and air, which may sound plausible but is actually harmful to understanding chemistry?

Or the theory of Humorism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humorism which provides an explanation for how herbs can help healing, but also recommends Bloodletting as a cure to disease?

Adding wrong theories that block/slow down progress in certain fields while they are dominant would provide a lot of fun interaction (people disproving other peoples work and other conflicts) and a nice way to avoid everyone learning everything too fast.
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« Reply #1704 on: April 12, 2015, 11:30:38 am »

A foot race... Will there be other sports? Dwarfs vs Goblins football?

A foot race... Will there be other sports? Dwarfs vs Goblins football?

FTFY

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The game looks at the values and ethics of the civilization and the overall purpose of the occasion to come up with the schedule of events -- performances, competitions (from art to various races to wrestling to etc. etc.), processions and ceremonies, with various little details.
Do note that much of that will likely be legends mode only for the time being.

The since the knowledge system appears to be "theory" based, what about wrong theories?

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Will the new knowledge "tech forest" be accessible in the RAWs?

If I think up a new fantasy philosophy, can I have the philosophers in game discover it?  Or when the history department at my local IRL university thinks up a new historiography method, do we have to wait for it to be hard coded in or can we just add it to the RAWs ourselves?

For that matter, what about ideas that aren't just ambiguously correct, but are clearly wrong?  People wrote books and chased down clearly false ideas plenty of times in history. It's a part of science too, to propose an idea that might not work out.

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Doing incorrect information is hard when we don't even have "correct" information done.  We'll get to specific cases eventually, but the myriad wrong paths people can take are harder to do.  It'll be part of the myth stuff as each society looks at the generated story from its perspective, but maybe not much on the first pass.
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« Reply #1705 on: April 12, 2015, 08:07:09 pm »

I just found and quite liked Threetoes' Stories, is there a chance of another one coming out?
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« Reply #1706 on: April 12, 2015, 08:53:39 pm »

Instrument string throwing is totally a feature...

To me it sounds like a rubberband shooting contest.  A bit odd, but a test of skill nonetheless.
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« Reply #1707 on: April 12, 2015, 11:10:00 pm »

Will the expanded needs system be detailed in in the Thoughts and Preferences screen?

Edit: Nevermind. You literally answered that in the sentence that inspired the question.

Hurrah! We won't be befuddled by unproductive dwarves with wanderlust.
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« Reply #1708 on: April 13, 2015, 06:11:15 am »

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Theoretically, the dwarf can go up to 150% and down as low as 50% in their effective skills,

So I predict what'll happen is that legendary dwarves will be neglected and locked away, while lesser skilled dwarves will get more entertainment and will be pampered, because it's more efficient to have multiple dwarves at the same quality than one dwarf being super efficient ;)
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« Reply #1709 on: April 13, 2015, 08:45:52 am »

I think the skill decay from unmet needs is a bit gamey for DF, and not a very good simulation of what makes people productive. Sometimes you need a fire lit under you to make good progress. For example, a weaponsmith will make that axe a little extra sharp if he has lost a friend to an ambush. Stress can be productive, and necessity is the mother of invention. Shaka Zulu made his warriors go barefoot, so that their feet would harden and eliminate the need for shoes.

Being too comfortable is more likely to negatively affect productivity than stressors, to a degree anyway.
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