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[Mictlantecuhtli]

As all the prepare:recover numbers were 3:3 to begin I've used that as base speed, and considering short swords are about as universal a weapon you can get, I based speeds around that. I believe great axes are the slowest weapon now, followed by mauls and pikes.

[Bloax]

why are whips suddenly doing the exact opposite of what whips originally do

they're no longer blunt and scourges are better and faster than them (oh and if we're talking about quick stabby action then spears are much better than them at it)

also you may have missed the fact that i made mauls actually useful specifically by making their contact area rather low

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[ATTACK:BLUNT:2000:10000:whirl around with outstretched arms and bash:whirls around with outstretched arms and bashes:massive head:3500]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:6:8] 1.4 seconds

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[ATTACK:BLUNT:40:200:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:3000]
[ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:4] 0.7 secondsyou made them both barely stronger (in terms of force) than one-handed hammers while much slower than said hammers
that's not good you know

[Dirst]

- Added NATURAL_SKILL_DISCIPLINE to *all* animals with the following tags: TRAINABLE, LARGE_PREDATOR, LIKES_FIGHTING, CARNIVORE and EVIL, also all badgers.

Okay, narrowly averted spraying coffee all over my keyboard.

(But what of the carp?)

[Bloax]

HONEY BADGER DON'T GIVE A DAMN
HONEY BADGER DON'T GIVE A FUCK

HONEY BADGER EAT YOUR FACE

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Whoops, I left maul with numbers I didn't mean to.. somehow. Thought I tidied it up before finishing. Fixing now. Blunt is my weakness as well, honestly. Tweaked blunt weapons in general, increased contact area of whips. I think they *should* be edged weapons, just very difficult for them to penetrate skin in a lethal fashion. I also forgot that scourges should be faster than them. So whips are now faster and should act more blunt, and maces/mauls/warhammers/morningstars should have a reasonable amount of balance. Flails are kinda a tossup, they seem OP but I'm not sure.

[Bloax]

The problem with blunt weapons is that if their contact area is very low then they completely ignore armor - but if it's too high then they can't do anything against armored targets.

and since weapons are fun when they're lethal, then having all blunt attacks have a relatively small contact area results in the most !!FUN!!

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Should be a bit better, let me know if they're not up to par. Will do testing later to be sure of lack of balance and needed changes.

[Xangi]

I've fucked around with the weapons and here's the result. (fyi this is meant to replace the vanilla item_weapon.txt)

Weapons are quite lethal now, although most are somewhat slow.
oh and flails/shortswords/large daggers can be multi-attacked with without penalties

(shoutouts to xangi from whom i stole some formatting ideas)

I might just mod your mod of my mod for the final weapon rebalance for my mod. Though that's still a while off, I need the adventure mode AI to be fixed for proper testing.

[Bloax]

jesus christ who absolutely boned the sword/axe diversity i made

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Hmm how so? I kept your axe numbers for the most part. Changed the previous sword stuff around a bit, made knifes less into lightsabers and more stabby. Some of the old penetrations and such are wonky for direct porting, but I've spent some time in the arena making all blunt weapons sufficiently lethal in realistic situations. Probably needs more work. As of this point silver flails and mauls will eventually pulp anything aside from colossi. Whips aren't deadly.. unless you have no armor or have some exposed spots, then they'll split you like a banana. The descriptions are a bit gruesome.

Here's the most recent iteration of the weapon file:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

item_weapon

[OBJECT:ITEM]


////////////////////Swords
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_SHORT]
[NAME:short sword:short swords]
[SIZE:400]
[SKILL:SWORD]
[TWO_HANDED:37500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:32500]
[CAN_STONE]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
   -The format is ATTACK:EDGE/BLUNT:contact area:penetration size:verb2nd:verb3rd:noun:velocity multiplier
   Penetration size currently only matters for edged attacks.
      -For the purposes of balance and consistency, 1UTU (Urist Time Unit) will be considered to be 0.1 seconds
      Format is ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:prepare time:recover time
[ATTACK:EDGE:20000:4000:slash:slashes:forward edge:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3] 0.6 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:20000:4000:slash:slashes:reverse edge:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3] 0.6 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:20000:4000:slash:slashes:honed blade:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3] 0.6 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:20000:4000:sidestep and slash:sidesteps and slashes:forward edge:2800]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:3] 0.7 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:20000:4000:sidestep and slash:sidesteps and slashes:reverse edge:2800]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:3] 0.7 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:20000:4000:quickly slash:quickly slashes:partial edge:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:2] 0.4 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:35:5000:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:3000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:3] 0.5 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK] -- Dual wielding!
[ATTACK:EDGE:35:7500:run through:runs through:tip:5000] !Should be a great stabbing weapon now
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:7] 1 second! Don't use this in groups of enemies!
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK] - Shouldn't be able to multiattack with this
[ATTACK:EDGE:15000:18000:whirl around and slash:whirls around and slashes:sharp blade:2000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:5] 0.8 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK] -- Should prevent special attacks from getting out of hand
[ATTACK:EDGE:20000:22000:whirl around with outstretched arms and slash:whirls around with outstretched arms and slashes:blade:3200]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:5] 0.8 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10000:4000:slap:slaps:flat:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:2] 0.5 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100:1000:strike:strikes:pommel:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:2] 0.5 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SCIMITAR]
[NAME:scimitar:scimitars]
[SIZE:500]
[SKILL:SWORD]
[TWO_HANDED:37500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:32500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:EDGE:30000:6000:slash:slashes:curved blade:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:3] 0.7 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:30000:6000:slash:slashes:forward edge:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:3] 0.7 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:35000:2500:slash:slashes:reverse edge:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:3] 0.7 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:30000:5000:sidestep and slash:sidesteps and slashes:forward edge:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4] 0.8 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:40000:3000:sidestep and slash:sidesteps and slashes:reverse edge:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4] 0.8 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:30000:2500:quickly slash:quickly slashes:partial edge:1750]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:2] 0.5 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:75:9000:run through:runs through:large tip:3000] Scimitars suck for running people through!
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:6] 1.1 seconds!
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:15000:18000:whirl around and slash:whirls around and slashes:curved blade:3000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5] 0.9 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:20000:22000:whirl around with outstretched arms and slash:whirls around with outstretched arms and slashes:curved blade:3500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5] 0.9 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:20000:4000:slap:slaps:flat:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:3] 0.7 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:50:1000:strike:strikes:pommel:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:3] 0.7 seconds

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_LONG]
[NAME:long sword:long swords]
[SIZE:700]
[SKILL:SWORD]
[TWO_HANDED:57500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:52500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:4]
[ATTACK:EDGE:50000:6000:slash:slashes:blade:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4] 0.8 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:45000:6000:slash:slashes:forward edge:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4] 0.8 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:60000:6000:slash:slashes:reverse edge:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4] 0.8 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:55000:5000:quickly slash:quickly slashes:partial edge:1800]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3] 0.6 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:50000:5000:sidestep and slash:sidesteps and slashes:forward edge:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5] 0.9 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:60000:5000:sidestep and slash:sidesteps and slashes:reverse edge:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5] 0.9 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:55:7500:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:3000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:4] 0.7 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:55:10000:run through:runs through:tip:4500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:7] 1.2 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:15000:15000:whirl around and slash:whirls around and slashes:sharp blade:3000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:6] 1 second
[ATTACK:EDGE:20000:22000:whirl around with outstretched arms and slash:whirls around with outstretched arms and slashes:honed blade:3500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:6] 1 second
[ATTACK:BLUNT:15000:6000:slap:slaps:flat:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:4] 0.7 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100:1000:strike:strikes:pommel:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:4] 0.7 seconds


[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_2H]
[NAME:two-handed sword:two-handed swords]
[SIZE:1200]
[SKILL:SWORD]
[TWO_HANDED:77500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:62500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:5]
[ATTACK:EDGE:90000:11000:slash:slashes:sharp blade:3500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:6] 1 second
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:100000:10000:slash:slashes:forward edge:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:6] 1 second
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:100000:10000:slash:slashes:reverse edge:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:6] 1 second
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:90000:11000:make an undercut swing at:makes an undercut swing at:NO_SUB:2000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5] .9 second
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:90000:11000:sidestep and slash:sidesteps and slashes:forward edge:3700]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:6] 1.1 second
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:100000:10000:sidestep and slash:sidesteps and slashes:reverse edge:3700]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:6] 1.1 second
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:95000:10500:quickly slash:quickly slashes:partial edge:2000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4] .8 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:100:20000:run through:runs through:tip:6000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:6:8] 1.4 seconds!
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:15000:18000:whirl around and slash:whirls around and slashes:long blade:3500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:7] 1.2 seconds!
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:20000:22000:whirl around with outstretched arms and slash:whirls around with outstretched arms and slashes:long blade:4500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:7] 1.2 seconds!
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100000:8000:slap:slaps:flat:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:6] 1 second
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:1000:3000:strike:strikes:pommel:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:6] 1 second
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]

////////////////////Daggers
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_DAGGER_LARGE]
[NAME:dagger:daggers]
[ADJECTIVE:large]
[SIZE:200]
[SKILL:DAGGER]
[TWO_HANDED:27500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:5000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:1]
[ATTACK:EDGE:150:4500:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:2] 0.4 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:100:5500:precisely stab:precisely stabs:NO_SUB:3500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:3] 0.5 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:200:3500:wildly stab:wildly stabs:NO_SUB:3000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:2] 0.4 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:200:5000:whirl around and stab:whirls around and stabs:NO_SUB:4500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3] 0.6 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:250:8000:run through:runs through:tip:5500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:5] 0.8 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:5000:2500:slash:slashes:honed blade:2000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:3] 0.5 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:6000:1500:quickly slash:quickly slashes:partial edge:1500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:3] 0.5 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:20:600:strike:strikes:pommel:1000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:3] 0.5 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_INDEPENDENT_MULTIATTACK]

////////////////////Whips
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_WHIP]
[NAME:whip:whips]
[SIZE:100]
[SKILL:WHIP]
[TWO_HANDED:27500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:22500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:1]
[ATTACK:EDGE:1500:30:lash:lashes:tiny knots:3500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:4] 0.6 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:1000:50:release a fell laugh and lash:laughs terribly and lashes:vicious knots:4500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:4] 0.6 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:1500:25:whip:whips:wire:3500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:4] 0.6 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:1000:25:flay:flays:wire:3500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:4] 0.6 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SCOURGE]
[NAME:scourge:scourges]
[SIZE:300]
[SKILL:WHIP]
[TWO_HANDED:27500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:22500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:2]
[ATTACK:EDGE:250:30:lash:lashes:tiny knots:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:4] 0.7 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:200:75:flay:flays:vicious knots:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:4] 0.7 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:100:100:whip:whips:wire:3500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:4] 0.7 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:100:125:cut:cuts:wire:3000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:4] 0.7 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]

////////////////////Axes
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AXE_BATTLE]
[NAME:battle axe:battle axes]
[SIZE:800]
[SKILL:AXE]
[TWO_HANDED:47500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:42500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:4]
[ATTACK:EDGE:35000:7000:hack:hacks:NO_SUB:1500] Axes are heavyhitters!
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4] 0.8 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:12000:5000:lacerate:lacerates:blade:1200]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:5] 1 second
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:40000:10000:relentlessly hew:relentlessly hews:full force:2000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:6] 1 second
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:37500:6000:emphatically slice:emphatically slices:honed axeblade:1800]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5] 0.9 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:45000:9000:make an undercut swing at:makes an undercut swing at:power:2000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5] 0.9 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:45000:9000:make a backhanded strike at:makes a backhanded strike at:NO_SUB:1500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5] 0.9 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:20000:14000:whirl around and cleave:whirls around and cleaves:heavy blade:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:6] 1.1 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:22500:18000:whirl around with outstretched arms and cleave:whirls around with outstretched arms and cleaves:axe head:3000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:6] 1.1 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10000:6000:slap:slaps:flat:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5] 0.9 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:1000:1000:strike:strikes:pommel:1000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5] 0.9 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
   
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_HALBERD]
[NAME:halberd:halberds]
[SIZE:1200]
[SKILL:AXE]
[TWO_HANDED:77500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:62500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:5]
[ATTACK:EDGE:20000:5000:slash:slashes:NO_SUB:1500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4] 0.8 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:45:7500:furiously stab:furiously stabs:NO_SUB:1200]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5] 0.9 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:40:12000:impale:impales:NO_SUB:2000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:5] 1 second
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:35:16000:run through:runs through:tip:4500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:6:7] 1.3 seconds!
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:50:2000:make a backhanded stab at:makes a backhanded stab at:NO_SUB:1000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:4] 0.9 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:20000:8000:sidestep quickly and slash:sidesteps quickly and slashes:NO_SUB:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:4] 0.7 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:20000:7000:whirl around and slash:whirls around and slashes:head:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:6] 1.1 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:25000:10000:whirl around with outstretched arms and slash:whirls around with outstretched arms and slashes:blade:3000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:6] 1.1 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:2000:6000:bash:bashes:shaft:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:4] 0.9 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AXE_GREAT]
[NAME:great axe:great axes]
[SIZE:1300]
[SKILL:AXE]
[TWO_HANDED:77500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:62500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:5]
[ATTACK:EDGE:50000:8800:hack:hacks:NO_SUB:1625]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:7] 1.1 seconds(!!)
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:15000:5000:lacerate:lacerates:blade:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:8] 1.2 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:50000:10000:relentlessly hew:relentlessly hews:full force:2200]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:8] 1.2 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:40000:6000:emphatically slice:emphatically slices:NO_SUB:2000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:7] 1.1 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:50000:8000:make an undercut swing at:makes an undercut swing at:NO_SUB:2000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:7] 1.1 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:15000:15000:whirl around and cleave:whirls around and cleaves:heavy blade:1500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:8] 1.3 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:EDGE:20000:20000:whirl around with outstretched arms and cleave:whirls around with outstretched arms and cleaves:axe head:3000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:9] 1.4 seconds!
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:20000:8000:slap:slaps:flat:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:7] 1.1 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:1000:1000:strike:strikes:pommel:1000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:7] 1.1 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
/////
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_PICK] Well technically they're axes, even if their attacks are reminiscent of spears.
[NAME:pick:picks]
[SIZE:500]
[SKILL:MINING]
[TWO_HANDED:47500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:42500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:4]
[ATTACK:EDGE:100:2000:mine:mines:NO_SUB:1600] -- They were kind of really good for not-really-weapons.
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:6] 1.0 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:150:2000:slash:slashes:forward edge:1500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:6] 1.0 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:200:2000:slash:slashes:reverse edge:1500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:6] 1.0 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:100:2000:whirl around and slash:whirls around and slashes:head:2000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:7] 1.2 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:200:2000:whirl around with outstretched arms and slash:whirls around with outstretched arms and slashes:dusty end:3000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:7] 1.2 seconds

   
////////////////////Hammers + Maces
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_HAMMER_WAR]
[NAME:war hammer:war hammers]
[SIZE:400]
[SKILL:HAMMER]
[TWO_HANDED:37500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:32500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:20:200:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:2250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:4] 0.7 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:25:10000:hammer:hammers:head:2750]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:4] 0.7 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:35:10000:bludgeon:bludgeons:NO_SUB:3000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:4] 0.7 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:30:8000:viciously beat:viciously beats:NO_SUB:2750]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:4] 0.7 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:30:3000:throw a haymaker at:throws a haymaker at:NO_SUB:3000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:4] 0.7 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:40:200:make an undercut swing at:makes an undercut swing at:NO_SUB:2000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:4] 0.7 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:40:7000:whirl around and bash:whirls around and bashes:head:4000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5] .9 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:45:10000:whirl around with outstretched arms and bash:whirls around with outstretched arms and bashes:massive head:4000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5] .9 seconds

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MAUL]
[NAME:maul:mauls]
[SIZE:1300]
[SKILL:HAMMER]
[TWO_HANDED:77500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:62500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:5]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:75:6000:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:6000] smash REAL GOOD
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:7] 1.2 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:75:6000:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:6000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:8] 1.3 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:75:10000:hammer:hammers:head:6750]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:6:7] 1.3 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:75:10000:bludgeon:bludgeons:NO_SUB:6750]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:8] 1.3 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:75:8000:viciously beat:viciously beats:NO_SUB:6500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:8] 1.3 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:120:3000:throw a haymaker at:throws a haymaker at:NO_SUB:7750]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:8] 1.3 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100:200:make an undercut swing at:makes an undercut swing at:NO_SUB:5000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:7] 1.2 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:150:7000:whirl around and bash:whirls around and bashes:head:7750]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:6:8] 1.4 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:175:10000:whirl around with outstretched arms and bash:whirls around with outstretched arms and bashes:massive head:7750]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:6:8] 1.4 seconds
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]

   //Maces
   
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MACE]
[NAME:mace:maces]
[SIZE:800]
[SKILL:MACE]
[TWO_HANDED:37500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:32500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:35:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:5] 0.8 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:40:200:hammer:hammers:head:3000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:6] 0.9 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:35:200:bludgeon:bludgeons:NO_SUB:3300]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:6] 0.9 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:35:200:viciously beat:viciously beats:NO_SUB:2750]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:5] 0.8 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:35:200:throw a haymaker at:throws a haymaker at:NO_SUB:3000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5] 0.9 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:35:200:make an undercut swing at:makes an undercut swing at:NO_SUB:2000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:5] 0.8 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:35:7000:whirl around and bash:whirls around and bashes:head:3500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:6] 1 second
[ATTACK:BLUNT:35:10000:whirl around with outstretched arms and bash:whirls around with outstretched arms and bashes:massive head:4000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:6] 1 second

   
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_FLAIL]
[NAME:flail:flails]
[SIZE:950]
[SKILL:MACE]
[TWO_HANDED:55000]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:42500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:4]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:60:4000:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:4500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:7:3] 1.0 second
[ATTACK:BLUNT:60:4000:smash:smashes:NO_SUB:4000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:7:3] 1.0 second
[ATTACK:BLUNT:60:4000:crush:crushes:NO_SUB:4000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:7:3] 1.0 second
[ATTACK:BLUNT:60:4000:flail toward:flails towards:head:4500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:7:3] 1.0 second
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100:7000:spin around and flail toward:whirls around flailing towards:head:6500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:7] 1.2 seconds
   
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MORNINGSTAR]
[NAME:morningstar:morningstars]
[SIZE:700]
[SKILL:MACE]
[TWO_HANDED:37500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:32500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:30:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:2200]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:5] 0.8 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:30:200:hammer:hammers:head:2700]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:6] 0.9 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:30:200:bludgeon:bludgeons:NO_SUB:3000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:6] 0.9 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:30:200:viciously beat:viciously beats:NO_SUB:2500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:5] 0.8 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:30:200:throw a haymaker at:throws a haymaker at:NO_SUB:2750]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5] 0.9 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:30:200:make an undercut swing at:makes an undercut swing at:NO_SUB:2000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:5] 0.8 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:30:7000:whirl around and bash:whirls around and bashes:head:3000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:6] 1 second
[ATTACK:BLUNT:30:10000:whirl around with outstretched arms and bash:whirls around with outstretched arms and bashes:massive head:3500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:6] 1 second


////////////////////Spears
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SPEAR]
[NAME:spear:spears]
[SIZE:600]
[SKILL:SPEAR]
[TWO_HANDED:47500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:5000] amphibian men, etc., need variants
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:EDGE:20:15000:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:1100]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:5] 0.7 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:20:15000:sidestep quickly and stab:sidesteps quickly and stabs:NO_SUB:1000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:5] 0.6 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:20:15000:feint and stab:feints and stabs:NO_SUB:1000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:5] 0.6 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:20:15000:spring away and stab:springs away and simultaneously stabs:NO_SUB:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:6] 0.7 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:20:15000:furiously stab:furiously stabs:sharp tip:1500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:6] 0.7 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:10:20000:impale:impales:full force:4000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:7] 1.1 second
[ATTACK:EDGE:10:20000:run through:runs through:tip:6000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:8] 1.3 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:1000:6000:bash:bashes:shaft:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:5] 0.7 seconds

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_PIKE]
[NAME:pike:pikes]
[SIZE:1000]
[SKILL:PIKE]
[TWO_HANDED:77500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:62500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:4]
[ATTACK:EDGE:30:17500:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:1500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:5] 0.9 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:30:17500:sidestep and stab:sidesteps and stabs:NO_SUB:1500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:4] 0.9 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:30:17500:feint and stab:feints and stabs:NO_SUB:1750]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:4] 0.9 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:30:17500:furiously stab:furiously stabs:sharp tip:1500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:5] 0.9 seconds
[ATTACK:EDGE:15:25000:impale:impales:full force:4000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:6] 1.2 second
[ATTACK:EDGE:15:25000:run through:runs through:tip:9000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:5:7] 1.4 seconds
[ATTACK:BLUNT:1000:6000:bash:bashes:shaft:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:6] 0.9 seconds

////////////////////Crossbows
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_CROSSBOW]
[NAME:crossbow:crossbows]
[SIZE:400]
[SKILL:HAMMER]
[RANGED:CROSSBOW:BOLT]
[SHOOT_FORCE:30]
[SHOOT_MAXVEL:1000]  This is just to make sure a near-weightless object doesnt go faster than the string could possibly go.
[TWO_HANDED:67500] Changed because 1 handing a crossbow is hard
[MINIMUM_SIZE:15000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:400:4000:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:1600]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5]
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:400:4000:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:1800]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5]
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:200:4000:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:2000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:5]
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]

////////////////////Bows
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_BOW]
[NAME:bow:bows]
[SIZE:300]
[SKILL:SWORD]
[RANGED:BOW:ARROW]
[SHOOT_FORCE:30]
[SHOOT_MAXVEL:1000] !! Crossbows/bows should always be able to out-force a blowgun
[TWO_HANDED:99999999999] You cannot 1 hand a bow
[MINIMUM_SIZE:15000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:500:4000:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:1000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4]
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:500:4000:swing overhand:swings overhand:NO_SUB:1500]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4]
   [ATTACK_FLAG_BAD_MULTIATTACK]

////////////////////Blowguns and misc ranged
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_BLOWGUN]
[NAME:blowgun:blowguns]
[SIZE:250]
[SKILL:SWORD]
[RANGED:BLOWGUN:BLOWDART]
[SHOOT_FORCE:100]
[SHOOT_MAXVEL:500] I suppose you could blow harder and harder, but the force prevents it from getting out of hand.!! Number halved, no creature can blow harder than a crossbow/bow shoots now
[TWO_HANDED:0]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:5000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:2]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:400:4000:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:1950]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:2]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:300:4000:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:1750]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:2]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:200:4000:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:1650]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:2]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100:4000:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:1550]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:2]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:40:4000:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:1450] -- hehe
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:2]

////////////////////Training weapons
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AXE_TRAINING]
[NAME:training axe:training axes]
[SIZE:800]
[SKILL:AXE]
[TWO_HANDED:47500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:42500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:4]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:30000:6000:hack:hacks:NO_SUB:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:30000:6000:slap:slaps:flat:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100:1000:strike:strikes:pommel:1000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:4:4]
[TRAINING]

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_SHORT_TRAINING]
[NAME:training sword:training swords]
[SIZE:300]
[SKILL:SWORD]
[TWO_HANDED:37500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:32500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:20000:4000:slash:slashes:NO_SUB:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:2]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:50:2000:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:1000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:2]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:20000:4000:slap:slaps:flat:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:2]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:100:1000:strike:strikes:pommel:1000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:2]
[TRAINING]

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SPEAR_TRAINING]
[NAME:training spear:training spears]
[SIZE:400]
[SKILL:SPEAR]
[TWO_HANDED:47500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:42500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:200:10000:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:1000]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:2]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10000:6000:bash:bashes:shaft:1250]
   [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:2:3]
[TRAINING]

I'm trying to lethalize combat a bit since in the words of a poster 'combat is more slapstick than ever' what with the months of rolling around it consists of. It's actually a bit daunting with so many attacks.

Swords definitely feel too strong, though. Nerfed the scimitar and the long sword a bit on top of the changes, buffed axes in general.

[Bloax]

The reason swords are too strong is because the axes you (mostly) copied from me were supposed to have higher force multipliers than swords.
except swords have that value far higher than axes currently do

I've made some changes here (like readding the little gimmick i gave flails hehe) that you might wanna review, but make sure to ignore the axe values since those are both incomplete and the force multiplier cranked way too far up to match the swords.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

I basically totally ripped your blunt weapons and the spear. They looked good to me c:  Incorporated some of what you're saying, decreased force on swords and made them different since they overall felt way too strong still. Were very samey before as well. If you've got more suggestions yell at me, I haven't done weapons in forever so I know I'm not the best.

Updated again. Sorry for the flurry of updates to anyone who may be bothered by them, this should be the stable version for a couple days as I work on stuff.

[Bloax]

Well since I'm already ripping Xangi off you might as well include the snazzy little tissue changes he did.
The changes are the classic "make nails/claws heal" but also changing the pain values of bones (knocking it the fuck down from 50 to 17) and internal organs (increasing them).

Because getting any kind of bone damage results in an instant (and fatal) loss of consciousness with the vanilla values, and that's just plain lame.
(not to mention that it's also outright bizarre that getting your internal organs obliterated barely hurts compared to getting a chipped bone)

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Yeah, I definitely agree with that change. Incorporated c:

[MarcAFK]

Since I'm restarting for the new stability changes I'll be using these weapon changes and the disapline tweaks.