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[Rakonas]

I gotta admit I think that's a bullshit metric. 15 is the highest stat in the base choices, so every single human adventurer has 16 in a stat, which would somehow be beyond genius.

Anyway, when will the new thread be?

[Aseaheru]

Fuck, I was too late.

Fucking crashing Adobe...

[Orange Wizard]

Fucking crashing Adobe...

Why is it crashing? Have you downloaded the latest version?

[Aseaheru]

Yah, it was the newest.

[Orange Wizard]

I suppose if it's really bad you could just export the thing to MS Word or whatever and do the stuff there.

[Neonivek]

I gotta admit I think that's a bullshit metric. 15 is the highest stat in the base choices, so every single human adventurer has 16 in a stat, which would somehow be beyond genius.

Anyway, when will the new thread be?

It was the same metric in 3.5 as well.

This is just a universe where people can be that exceptional.

[highmax28]

I think someone told me of a story of an NPC dwarf fighter made by the DM that was supposed to follow the party as a kind of guide. Turns out during character creation, the guy rolled a perfect character and it ended up being the party overshadowed by this dwarf that had these ungodly stats. Turned out that after the first initial questline, the dwarf ended up being this recurring character that always was like Blue from pokemon: one step ahead of the party and always making them look bad with how far behind in skill they were (always nice to the party however, so it wasn't as if he was rubbing it in their faces). The evil character of the group tried to assassinate the dwarf but in a side thing where it got actually played out, the dwarf WON... ALONE. It got to the point that in order to just stop it, the DM had to have something happen where he became a villain so the party had an excuse to kill this monster of a creation.

Its also why when someone tells me they rolled up a perfect character, I tell them that they're not going to last long.

[Arcvasti]

I think someone told me of a story of an NPC dwarf fighter made by the DM that was supposed to follow the party as a kind of guide. Turns out during character creation, the guy rolled a perfect character and it ended up being the party overshadowed by this dwarf that had these ungodly stats. Turned out that after the first initial questline, the dwarf ended up being this recurring character that always was like Blue from pokemon: one step ahead of the party and always making them look bad with how far behind in skill they were (always nice to the party however, so it wasn't as if he was rubbing it in their faces). The evil character of the group tried to assassinate the dwarf but in a side thing where it got actually played out, the dwarf WON... ALONE. It got to the point that in order to just stop it, the DM had to have something happen where he became a villain so the party had an excuse to kill this monster of a creation.

Its also why when someone tells me they rolled up a perfect character, I tell them that they're not going to last long.

At least that DM gave them the excuse to stop it. I've heard stories of DMs who just keep their ungodly powerful NPC there so they can demonstrate that they're better then the PCs and railroad them.

[highmax28]

I avoid letting the DM's character steal the spotlight. As USEC has seen (as he is in that game), either accidentally or on purpose, I'll swap out my characters so they're not stealing spotlight.

The first one was Grot and was intended to be a joke character and a poke at bay12 as well as giving the party the healer it needed. He had a deep obsession with socks (think dwarves in DF going out of their way to get socks). At the time of his death, he had 36 pairs of socks. He was killed (unintentionally) by having a crit scored on him that instantly killed him by a character that dropped out, died by my DM magic of bad luck, and was revived by shadow magic.

The second was Thyra, the wood elf skald who's whole purpose was to get another character to stop complaining about a lack of roleplay in the middle of a mountain range. Needless to say, he completely ignored her. Her story is she's young for an elf and is tired of being considered that, so she sets out to try and show the elves of her kind she isn't a child anymore. She also forms a kind of bond with USEC's character hilariously enough through random rolls that were asked by other people. She abandons the party because of a fear of grotesque creatures, like undead, and leaves them behind... As they deal with an endless wave of enemies that get stronger and stronger everytime.

The current and third party member is Thoradin, the dwarf berserker. He's one of two people who fought another "joke" character (a space marine implemented into D&D because it can happen with the right gear, build, etc.) who turned insane because of 40k laws on Grey Knights (how they're immune to chaos, but because of that, he was attacked with shadow magic that, instead of taking him over, melded with him and became part of him. He literally is now in a state of in between life and death without being undead or vryloka, and it drives him batshit insane. He also revived another dead player character who is a slightly recurring enemy). He is missing an eye and is the only one who is slightly familiar with the dungeon they're in as it was his home before it was overrun with undead and necromancers. I'm not going to say much more about him since USEC is a character and I don't want to spew more plot spoilers that can be found out.

[Neonivek]

You can easily have a NPC outshine the PCs without it being bad.

But think of it this way... How often in an actual RPG would you put up with it?

Anytime you do it, it must be with a purpose. That usually being that they are essentially the milestone or the challenge.

And you MUST balance it by making the PCs feel competent... In fact often having the PCs be completely overwhelmed against a overpowering enemy can be incredibly fun, so long as they have some venue to be competent (for example... You could have a indestructible boss who... can be stunned if he takes so much damage... and have the PCs eventually push him off a cliff, or collapse a tunnel on him, or something)

My real life DM... unfortunately likes to beat down his players a lot... and games never last long enough for us to hit the levels of these NPCs... making every game an anticlimax. The REALLY annoying thing he does though, is if he doesn't think what you are doing is smart... he will have his characters say so.

[Aseaheru]

You know what? Because I cant get adobe to work, really want to play yhe game, and dont care (much) who I play, I am gonna try to find a premade char.

Any requests?

Or better yet, anyone have an extra?

[Orange Wizard]

I can roll one up for you later this evening, if you really want. Just tell me anything specific you want.

[Aseaheru]

Dwarf and somesort of protector man.

[Rakonas]

You know what? Because I cant get adobe to work, really want to play yhe game, and dont care (much) who I play, I am gonna try to find a premade char.

Any requests?

Or better yet, anyone have an extra?

I posted a while back an image file of the character sheet, then used mspaint to fill it out.

[highmax28]

You can easily have a NPC outshine the PCs without it being bad.

But think of it this way... How often in an actual RPG would you put up with it?

Anytime you do it, it must be with a purpose. That usually being that they are essentially the milestone or the challenge.

And you MUST balance it by making the PCs feel competent... In fact often having the PCs be completely overwhelmed against a overpowering enemy can be incredibly fun, so long as they have some venue to be competent (for example... You could have a indestructible boss who... can be stunned if he takes so much damage... and have the PCs eventually push him off a cliff, or collapse a tunnel on him, or something)

My real life DM... unfortunately likes to beat down his players a lot... and games never last long enough for us to hit the levels of these NPCs... making every game an anticlimax. The REALLY annoying thing he does though, is if he doesn't think what you are doing is smart... he will have his characters say so.

I do admit, I'm a little brutal of a DM, but I try to keep things interesting and make sure party members actually admit to do things. For example, the reason why the character died was because he's a vampire and he drank blood from a corpse that's been dead for awhile and knows was killed by an assassin that uses poisons. The entire time, one of the party members complained about wasting time... Until the character actually died in USEC's arms. Funny thing is I don't think he (Character wise) ever knew that the character he was trying to save was a vampire.

My current DM in real life enjoys screwing with the party, and the space marine was his idea. When he took on a dire bear by himself, I knew this guy had to go, but I needed an excuse, so I came up with the previous statement. He also constantly threatens to kill off our characters often enough. The only reason why I think he's still running it is the "leader" of the group, who is a control freak and a bitch, actually tries to run the whole thing by herself, ignoring a lot of the DM's comments. She got mad at me for playing my characters as how they would act in each situation. Most of the time she's metagaming and it pisses me off, especially since her hostility towards one of my characters was because "You're evil, I'll never trust you". First of all, I acted as how most evil characters should: gain the trust of the other party members. And I did, but her excuse wasn't "my character is slow to trust new people" but "you're an evil fucker". My current character is a berserker thats chaotic neutral and she got all mad because i took a staff that she wanted to give to another person and I said I'm holding onto it. Why did I? My character is not bound to the party and is more driven to seek revenge and he was given orders to help her until the dungeon was done, not be her slave for all eternity like she thinks it is.