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Re: WH40K thread: No Such Thing As A Free Bolter, But Heresy's Everywhere!
« Reply #9000 on: August 01, 2017, 07:17:01 pm »

Which Chaos Gods do the vermin of the Imperium of Man worship
I mean the actual, genuine vermin, the rats that cross the stars with mankind and colonize every world man sets foot on. The space rat imperium of ratkind
They don't worship a chaos god, vile squeaketic!

They worship the Rodent-Emperor of Raymond, who sits eternally upon the Golden Mousetrap, his body writhing with arcane energies from the Dark Age of Ratnology.
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Re: WH40K thread: No Such Thing As A Free Bolter, But Heresy's Everywhere!
« Reply #9001 on: August 01, 2017, 07:57:57 pm »

Edit: Also it seems to me that the Imperium as a whole should be more Nurgle aligned. The most interesting and dynamic people places and events would be more Khorn, Tzeentch, or Slaanesh. But the average bog standard uncounted trillionth person seems like death and decay would be their thing more then the others.
The Imperium's activities feed all the Ruinous Powers about equally. Nurgle is as you said, but in particular it's those who have accepted death and decay, who have given into the void and tried to love their place in life. Slaanesh is fueled by the opposite, by the extremism that the Imperium's people sometimes engage in to try and give their lives meaning. Tzeentch is fueled by the rat race, the endless powergames that Imperials play against one another. And Khorne, well...you know the line.

Hum, interesting. I suppose my view of imperial society is that it's largely stagnant and unchanging, and most peoples lives are within it as well. A world that survives 1000 years in roughly the same state seems one where most people are also not hugely dynamic. A factory worker who works in the same factory making the same bullets that his greatx23 grandfather made, it seems like a life of stagnation that eventually leads to death would be a life for Nurgle on the whole, even though it's certainly going to be filled with points for any chaos god. Accepting the Imperial creed and spending your life as a good cog in the machine seems to be a thing that'd fit Nurgle, but I guess that's not really embracing or consciously accepting it? So maybe it doesn't count enough for Nurgle.

Or maybe my view of how dynamic the average person in the warhammer world is flawed... Potentially worlds do change and shift more then I was aware of and the average was just that, an average. The time scale that the imperium has existed on seems so huge to me though that it's hard for me to imagine places within it as dynamic.
Stagnant yes, but hardly unchanging. Consider the following: Rebellion is not properly a crime in the Imperium. Heresy is a crime. Treason is a crime. But knocking over the planetary government is only criminal if you fail. If you succeed? As long as you follow the Imperium's few galactic laws, they'll endorse your rule. Put all your friends in the nobility, execute the nobility and hold elections, whatever you want. Hell, if the old government was lagging on their tithe the Imperium might fund your rebellion. Victory is the surest sign of the Emperor's favor.

It's true that powerful people have an easy time controlling and harming powerless people, just like in reality. But it's also true that power can slip right through your fingers at the slightest lapse, that most power is only what people think you have, and that the most powerful person in the world can still be stabbed to death as they sleep. Holding onto power in the Imperium is intrigue without end.

Being a peasant doesn't mean that great of a life, but that doesn't mean all you do is sit around carving bolter shells all day. I mean, some people do that, but so many are also gangers, are hive vendors, are trying to take advantage of that forged spire pass that this guy your uncle knows got you in exchange for drawing some weird graffiti.

That's the whole reason people start turning to Chaos, in fact. You can have power, have excitement, have a dynamic life and in exchange for not that much. Hell, in exchange for things that you already want to do, even.
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Re: WH40K thread: No Such Thing As A Free Bolter, But Heresy's Everywhere!
« Reply #9002 on: August 01, 2017, 08:02:22 pm »

I tend to view the Empire like a star, on the edges (new and recently established colony worlds) it is in constant flux, as you move closer to the core it becomes more static and unchanging.
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Re: WH40K thread: No Such Thing As A Free Bolter, But Heresy's Everywhere!
« Reply #9003 on: August 01, 2017, 09:11:10 pm »

The imperium is too big for everything to be the same throughout it. It's been around for too long for nothing to have changed. An empire that large just doesn't have a single, unified culture.
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Re: WH40K thread: No Such Thing As A Free Bolter, But Heresy's Everywhere!
« Reply #9004 on: August 01, 2017, 09:16:01 pm »

Plus Terra is basically where intrigue happens on the grandest scale.
Or, possibly did, now that Rowboot deposed the high lords.
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Re: WH40K thread: No Such Thing As A Free Bolter, But Heresy's Everywhere!
« Reply #9005 on: August 01, 2017, 11:21:03 pm »

Which Chaos Gods do the vermin of the Imperium of Man worship
I mean the actual, genuine vermin, the rats that cross the stars with mankind and colonize every world man sets foot on. The space rat imperium of ratkind
Why, only the most magnificent of all vermin, the Great Horned Rat of course!


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Re: WH40K thread: No Such Thing As A Free Bolter, But Heresy's Everywhere!
« Reply #9006 on: August 02, 2017, 04:49:23 am »

Hmm, I wonder if clerks and munistorum bureaucrats could count their battle against endless paperwork as Khornate

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Put all your friends in the nobility, execute the nobility and hold elections, whatever you want.

I think establishing a democracy is actually considered heresy. Expanded stuff for the first Dawn of War suggests that discovering that the people of Cyrene had established a democratic process (and later discovered his father was one of the elected leaders) was the final straw that pushed Gabriel Angelos into asking the Inquisition to drop cyclonic torpedoes on the place.
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Re: WH40K thread: No Such Thing As A Free Bolter, But Heresy's Everywhere!
« Reply #9007 on: August 02, 2017, 05:39:18 am »

Deathwatch FFG books tau have some strange hillariousness about them.
They keep researching abandoned deathwatch watch fortress and keep getting killed by automated  defences, while trying to remove aquilla plate for study(  tau archeologists actually did not figure out, that this is military installation and count it as religious object due to ammount of aquillas and skulls, and they hope, that this religious building  may give them insight in guela mindset)

Or they keep sending ambassador teams to   sentient blue crystals, who kill everything they see with mental energy lasers.

Or even... trying to understand and appreciate genestealer culture and let them do their thing.



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« Reply #9008 on: August 02, 2017, 10:39:31 am »


Or even... trying to understand and appreciate genestealer culture and let them do their thing.

In the 7th ed genestealer cults codex it mentions the Tau let a few hundred of themselves be infected when they found a genestealer trapped in an escape pod, purely because they thought they were curious about it and though they could add the genestealer to the empire. The lab they were keeping the hybrids in wound up taking years to reclaim, and the ethereal who declared it clean was described as 'eccentric', which makes me think they may also have been a hybrid.
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Re: WH40K thread: No Such Thing As A Free Bolter, But Heresy's Everywhere!
« Reply #9009 on: August 02, 2017, 10:45:24 am »

Its okay though.

Assfaces arent scary compared to the normal gamut of gaunts, gargoyles, and other g-worded critters.
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Re: WH40K thread: No Such Thing As A Free Bolter, But Heresy's Everywhere!
« Reply #9010 on: August 02, 2017, 01:12:45 pm »

Hmm, I wonder if clerks and munistorum bureaucrats could count their battle against endless paperwork as Khornate
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Why, only the most magnificent of all vermin, the Great Horned Rat of course!
link is totally shameless self-promotion, just as a warning
I suppose if fantasy and 40k are connected that would make sense. But then in 40k why isn't the GHR a big boss? I'm guessing rats aren't psychically significant yet
Maybe after mankind collapses, the rats will develop rat psykers and really make things spicy

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Re: WH40K thread: No Such Thing As A Free Bolter, But Heresy's Everywhere!
« Reply #9012 on: August 02, 2017, 04:45:07 pm »

If the emperor had a podcast?
I could possibly listen to this.
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Re: WH40K thread: No Such Thing As A Free Bolter, But Heresy's Everywhere!
« Reply #9013 on: August 02, 2017, 04:55:51 pm »

Im sorry, 90 minutes of this?

Im not prepared to listen to this right now.  But soon, my precious, soon
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Re: WH40K thread: No Such Thing As A Free Bolter, But Heresy's Everywhere!
« Reply #9014 on: August 02, 2017, 05:56:11 pm »

Hmm... The Emperor having his own Talk Radio program?

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