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[LoSboccacc]

...So every faction?

... It's almost as if they were carefully balanced to be at perfect strength equilibrium by some external entity, more secretive and intangible than the ones

[KingofstarrySkies]

except the tau

;-;
i want them to be stronk but they arent and it makes koss saaaad

[Rolepgeek]

except the tau

Tau would

It's just they're the only faction for whom 'full power' is as yet only a hypothetical. They can reach galactic empire crushing levels if they survive long enough. Which isn't assured by any means.

Plus, underdogs are better

Everyone knows that but is too afraid to say it. I know I might get attacked for saying so, but I like underdogs, personally. /braverydebate

[Kot]

I don't really think about Tau as underdogs, at least not more than all other factions. Due to Grim Darkness of Far Future, nearly everyone is so fucked that they are underdogs. Imperium is underdogs, as everyone wants them dead, Eldar are underdogs because they're mostly dead and their souls get fucked, Chaos is underdogs because they're fucked no matter if they win or not, Orks are underdogs because everyone hunts them and treats as animals, Tau are underdogs because they are young compared to others, Necrons are underdogs because... reasons, and Tyranids are underdogs because of the same reasons, I guess.

Also I am irrationaly irritated about this line

/braverydebate

because Tau are fucking cowards that don't fight in melee and don't even understand what is happening due to mind control while Imperial Guardsmen and Guardswomen are truly the bravest.

[Dorsidwarf]

If anyone's wondering, the Defense Line is 50 point and the quad-cannon upgrade is another 50, I'm pretty sure.

[Loud Whispers]

Necrons are not underdogs, their c'tan are now underdogs. Necrons are sleepy, getting comfy, if they all woke up and executed a coherent algorithm, the plot would advance (plus their endgame can just be get comfy, wait for everyone to die and life to remake itself again, only pop out every now and then to make sure the warp doesn't take over)
Tyranids are not underdogs by Milky Way standards, but since they are extragalactic refugees, they are probably underdogs by their home galaxy's standards (if indeed, this is only the second galaxy they have nom'd). Just imagine, there is probably some other galaxy out there where Tyranids are having their last stand as their home hive is nomd by something even phattier
Orks are always winning
Bloody hell, Orks
ORKS
Only story I've seen Orks truly lose was that one sole surviving Ork that ended up stuck on a dormant tomb world with no fighting and sleepy crons who didn't want to waaaagh!
Imperium is on the defensive from massive apocalypses within and without, apocalypses plural, dying a slow death as the Emperor decays, top dog as a whole - each human is an undercog in the great machine (mechanicus often the literal undercog), regular people standing up to fight carnifexes and godspawns with flashlights. HOLD THE FUCKING LINE!
Eldar is the underdog because holy shit did they fall, they are a sad, sad remnant of what they once were. Nice thing though is that they still try to rebuild, but they can't in any meaningful sense rebuild their population when there is only war
Dark Eldar are dicks, I'd say they're underdogs but they don't really have win conditions they strive for. Their unknown haemonculus sects do, so I suppose within the Dark Eldar, the spooky hidden sects are the underdogs ready to overthrow the DE hierarchy with !!science!!
Tau are not underdogs on the local scale (can't really claim that when your drones are freedoming tribes people from the skies with pulse carbines), on the galactic scale I dunno, sure they just realized how large nids and human swarms are, but all the same, only the nid swarms are actually trying to eat them, humans procrastinating because there are bigger threats than Tau
On the cosmic scale of things, Tau do not have weapons against warp beings, so they seem pretty underdog there

If anyone's wondering, the Defense Line is 50 point and the quad-cannon upgrade is another 50, I'm pretty sure.

Thanks, that makes sense
Seems better to just have trenches everywhere full of Kriegers with heavy bolters, hydras and basilisks

because Tau are fucking cowards that don't fight in melee and don't even understand what is happening due to mind control while Imperial Guardsmen and Guardswomen are truly the bravest.

Tau have no CQC
absolutely disgraceful, commit sudoku

[Rolepgeek]

I don't really think about Tau as underdogs, at least not more than all other factions. Due to Grim Darkness of Far Future, nearly everyone is so fucked that they are underdogs. Imperium is underdogs, as everyone wants them dead, Eldar are underdogs because they're mostly dead and their souls get fucked, Chaos is underdogs because they're fucked no matter if they win or not, Orks are underdogs because everyone hunts them and treats as animals, Tau are underdogs because they are young compared to others, Necrons are underdogs because... reasons, and Tyranids are underdogs because of the same reasons, I guess.

Also I am irrationaly irritated about this line

/braverydebate

because Tau are fucking cowards that don't fight in melee and don't even understand what is happening due to mind control while Imperial Guardsmen and Guardswomen are truly the bravest.

Space Marines are cowards unwilling to fight without their powered armor while their fellows must make do with cardboard. Guardsmen must be cowed by commissars in order to fight. They are all as a whole afraid to open their minds to new possibilities. The Tau are not fearful of their fellow species in the galaxy. What are you afraid of, Imperium? Worker drones? One may as well fear a Grox. Our pathfinders are some of the bravest individuals you shall find. They know exactly what they're getting into. Our Ethereals provide inspiration, not control. They extol us to reach for the heights of our ability, for the Greater Good. You fight in the name of death, hatred, and fear. Your Emperor would be ashamed of you, zealots.

Also it was a joke about people who make everything into a bravery debate where whoever's position is the most 'censored' is the winner. I get annoyed at them.

I mostly think of Tau as underdogs because for most factions, they're massive or it's just a matter of time before they win, theoretically. Taken as a whole, everyone but 'Nids is underdogs anyway. But within that, Imperium's massive and could crush Tau if they really wanted to within a few decades (for gathering everything together, mostly), Eldar are special psychic snowflakes, and just seem very...emo, I guess, about the whole thing, with God of Death once everyone's dead and blahblahblah which if it happens means they're certainly not underdogs, Chaos isn't underdogs because infinite Daemons and oorruption's great for keeping yourself strong, Dark Eldar are laughing it up, Orks can't lose cuz' if they die they die foitin' and if they don't it doesn't count, Imperium's massive and Primarchs could actually basically come back any time, and if Emperor becomes plain-old God of Mankind after croaking on Golden Throne, Necrons and Tyranids are duh. Tau are the only ones for whom their victory condition isn't either 'our full forces arrive' or 'our God arrives' or 'status quo' (DE). It's 'survive for another few centuries or millenia for super-good tech while what amounts to the end of days is upon us'.

[sprinkled chariot]

Necrons are not underdogs, their c'tan are now underdogs. Necrons are sleepy, getting comfy, if they all woke up and executed a coherent algorithm, the plot would advance (plus their endgame can just be get comfy, wait for everyone to die and life to remake itself again, only pop out every now and then to make sure the warp doesn't take over)
Tyranids are not underdogs by Milky Way standards, but since they are extragalactic refugees, they are probably underdogs by their home galaxy's standards (if indeed, this is only the second galaxy they have nom'd). Just imagine, there is probably some other galaxy out there where Tyranids are having their last stand as their home hive is nomd by something even phattier
Orks are always winning
Bloody hell, Orks
ORKS
Only story I've seen Orks truly lose was that one sole surviving Ork that ended up stuck on a dormant tomb world with no fighting and sleepy crons who didn't want to waaaagh!
Imperium is on the defensive from massive apocalypses within and without, apocalypses plural, dying a slow death as the Emperor decays, top dog as a whole - each human is an undercog in the great machine (mechanicus often the literal undercog), regular people standing up to fight carnifexes and godspawns with flashlights. HOLD THE FUCKING LINE!
Eldar is the underdog because holy shit did they fall, they are a sad, sad remnant of what they once were. Nice thing though is that they still try to rebuild, but they can't in any meaningful sense rebuild their population when there is only war
Dark Eldar are dicks, I'd say they're underdogs but they don't really have win conditions they strive for. Their unknown haemonculus sects do, so I suppose within the Dark Eldar, the spooky hidden sects are the underdogs ready to overthrow the DE hierarchy with !!science!!
Tau are not underdogs on the local scale (can't really claim that when your drones are freedoming tribes people from the skies with pulse carbines), on the galactic scale I dunno, sure they just realized how large nids and human swarms are, but all the same, only the nid swarms are actually trying to eat them, humans procrastinating because there are bigger threats than Tau
On the cosmic scale of things, Tau do not have weapons against warp beings, so they seem pretty underdog there

If anyone's wondering, the Defense Line is 50 point and the quad-cannon upgrade is another 50, I'm pretty sure.

Thanks, that makes sense
Seems better to just have trenches everywhere full of Kriegers with heavy bolters, hydras and basilisks

because Tau are fucking cowards that don't fight in melee and don't even understand what is happening due to mind control while Imperial Guardsmen and Guardswomen are truly the bravest.

Tau have no CQC
absolutely disgraceful, commit sudoku

Spores will separate from this ork, and eventually stuff will grow for him to fight with. He just need not to die from boredom, and if he dies from boredom, orks get superior victory, as it will be even more spores.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The Tau don't have a hope in hell. They don't even recognize the existence of the Great Enemy because they're so far up their own cloacas with euphoric "rationalism" that they ignore what's right in front of them. But that also doesn't matter because the Tyranid hordes are going to eat them all easily. They have no right being an army and if GW gets any fucking sense in they'll squat the Tau like they should have three editions ago. Nobody buys Tau stuff except for weebs who think that they're so cool because they want to have sex with aliens and internet atheists. We don't glorify people who want to have sex with animals, so why is this alright? All that degeneracy amounts to is desecration of the great human race.

Warhammer is, and always has been about the triumph of humanity over its enemies. All this is are the writers being infected by trendy modern "tolerance" to such a degree that they feel the need to make up new classes to say discriminating against is wrong. The Tau are literally the fantasy of being castrated and owned as a slave by aliens because they can't bear to be real upstanding humans who claim the stars in fire and blood.

99% of so-called "Imperials" won't read or share this...the Emperor will bless the 1% that does.

[Loud Whispers]

Space Marines are cowards unwilling to fight without their powered armor while their fellows must make do with cardboard. Guardsmen must be cowed by commissars in order to fight.

Imperial Guardsmen cannot actually wear power armour and power armour is not in ubiquitous supply, whilst power armour increases survivability against cowards WHO CANNOT EVEN INTO CQC
Even the most cowardly penal legion forced to fight belies the fact that if the Guardsmen will not hold the line, the Commissar will hold the line, and all guardsmen can into CQC

They are all as a whole afraid to open their minds to new possibilities.

Not dumb enough to be ideologically subverted by Chaos and Tau more like
It's a two way street, no way in hell the Ethereals would ever let Tau convert to the worship of the Emperor

The Tau are not fearful of their fellow species in the galaxy. What are you afraid of, Imperium? Worker drones?

Aye, the Tau looked at walking BDSM spike and skull ninja elves and said "hey, those look like swell fellows. Let's say hello and have a cultural exchange." Consequences were pretty much what you'd expect, so the Tau made up for this by slaughtering Eldar who happened to look like the BDSM spike elves, sans spikes

One may as well fear a Grox. Our pathfinders are some of the bravest individuals you shall find. They know exactly what they're getting into. Our Ethereals provide inspiration, not control.

Yeah, inspiring pheremone control and mind control helmets lol

They extol us to reach for the heights of our ability, for the Greater Good. You fight in the name of death, hatred, and fear. Your Emperor would be ashamed of you, zealots.

Emperor wouldn't be ashamed, cos they fight for the Emperor
[Meanwhile the Emperor is eternally screaming cos he never asked to be worshiped, but it's not like Imperials know that lol]

Also it was a joke about people who make everything into a bravery debate where whoever's position is the most 'censored' is the winner. I get annoyed at them.
I mostly think of Tau as underdogs because for most factions, they're massive or it's just a matter of time before they win, theoretically.

Tau got nothing on the other factions, they don't have a single scenario where they can either destroy the galaxy or take it over, and they've got very little at stake, fighting only one war of extermination versus the nids whilst all the other factions are fighting wars of extermination against all the other factions

Tau are the only ones for whom their victory condition isn't either 'our full forces arrive' or 'our God arrives' or 'status quo' (DE). It's 'survive for another few centuries or millenia for super-good tech while what amounts to the end of days is upon us'.

No, look at the design philosophy
For every single faction, old is better. For Chaos this is because old tech and because older demons are more powerful, for the Imperium this is because they're relics of the Dark Age of Technology, for Eldar this is because they're relics (in fact their whole species is a relic) of their once peerless Empire, for Dark Eldar same as Eldar, for Necrons because they are immortals from the war of Heaven e.t.c.
Every faction that isn't the Orks or Nids, older is better because they are slowly losing to everything (perhaps? Story not advancing, but the overarching theme of 40k across most all factions is decay and sacrifice to keep things running in spite of the apocalypse. That and gothic architecture in space, with skulls and rock references everywhere). Tau break the mold cos they're young af, they haven't done anything that actually gives their loss meaning

The Necrontyr, the Eldar, the Imperium, they achieved the greatest - and have been suffering ever since, fighting to keep hold of whatever's left...

[Neonivek]

Mind you a big part of it is because of the huge amount of stagnation and regression involved. (I forget the proper term for regression)

The Necron being the biggest example of this because they COULD advance... they just don't have a real need or desire to (they are already the most advanced faction by leagues whose armies almost never have casualties if you read the lore).

[Loud Whispers]

Mind you a big part of it is because of the huge amount of stagnation and regression involved. (I forget the proper term for regression)

Decay/Collapse/Disintegration do well in the context of falling Empires

The Necron being the biggest example of this because they COULD advance... they just don't have a real need or desire to (they are already the most advanced faction by leagues whose armies almost never have casualties if you read the lore).

Isn't it that they've reached the physical limits of technological advancement? Not much more they can do when they control the material world, besides maybe do warp research (which they can't cos no souls :[)

[Kot]

Holy shit, I love those Tau vs Imperium discussions.

humans who claim the stars in fire and blood.

Humanity Fuck Yeah.

[nenjin]

Xenos get wrekt.

[Loud Whispers]

Holy shit, I love those Tau vs Imperium discussions.

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