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Author Topic: WH40K discussion thread: from Tyran's heart I stab at thee.  (Read 1043643 times)

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Re: Warhammer 40K discussion thread: Disorder Vacuum Seamen.
« Reply #3870 on: April 23, 2016, 09:19:03 am »

The Eldar don't have Void Shield tech. It's just something they never made.

Probably for the best really, Void Shields tend to be giant power suckers, so an Eldar ship would probably have to trade off it's speed and firepower for even a weak shield, which would force it into more slugging matches, which they just can't win due to design differences between their ships and other races ships.
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« Reply #3871 on: April 23, 2016, 10:32:28 am »

Was dark age of technology more advanced then eldar?

Like murderous nanobots, phalanx, men of iron...
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« Reply #3872 on: April 23, 2016, 10:48:42 am »

It's hard to say. During the DAoT the Eldar were metaphorically (and occasionally literally) cannibalizing their own empire and pulling back to what would eventually become the Eye of Terror, while humanity was taking advantage of the relatively calmed warp to colonize the entire Milky Way. As such, there was not a lot of overlap.

That said, DAoT tech sometimes does scary, Necron-tier (heh heh, Necrontier) shit that puts the Eldar to shame, at the same time there really aren't many clear examples as to if the Eldar Empire was more advanced than the 40k Eldar factions.
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« Reply #3873 on: April 23, 2016, 10:51:22 am »

~20,000 year old civilization compared to ~1,000,000 year old civilization. (Those numbers are a massive stab in the can't-be-bothered-researching dark)
Yeah, they were good, but not that good.

Although all Eldar tech has afaik been developed around their passive psychic abilities, 'cos Eldar are basically orks.
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« Reply #3874 on: April 23, 2016, 11:09:56 am »

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Although sources differ and generally argue, most point to human technology in this time being roughly equivalent to (if not surpassing) that of the pre-Slaanesh Eldar. Highlights of the few hints we've been offered include still-pristine warships with bridges made of solid light, what seem to be time-weapons, and a cloud of sentient nanomachines that kill you by making your blood explode. Dark Age humanity wasn't nothin' to fuck with.

But it's 1d4chan, so take it with a grain of salt.
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« Reply #3875 on: April 23, 2016, 11:59:21 am »

Which is all to say that basically, they went for different things. Probably approximately equivalent, but again, different directions with their technology.
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« Reply #3876 on: April 23, 2016, 12:10:36 pm »

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« Reply #3877 on: April 23, 2016, 03:11:51 pm »

Although recall the Beast, the ork that nearly destroyed the imperium in M32? Apparently the Eldar once fought and destroyed orks even more advanced than those. So sayeth the newest book in the series they're writing about it.
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« Reply #3878 on: April 23, 2016, 03:57:28 pm »

Oh, Eldar were fucking scary back in the day. Don't forget that they used to be a real Empire, with Craftworlds as their goddamned merchant ships, that only died because of the unforeseen consequences of being so successful they were able to descend into the depths of hedonism. When there were actual wars to fight? Consider how skilled a single Craftworld Eldar is, except a career soldier from a long and glorious tradition of soldiering, rather than a member of a dying race trapped upon their ships who struggle to emulate their gods and history in mourning for their dead fellows. Imagine them equipped with true military-level technology, and that the Craftworld Eldar stuff is, as far as it seems likely, the civilian/merchant defense gear. Consider how many more Eldar there were, all with equipment on that high of a level. Their equipment is all small and energy efficient because that's cheaper to have on board merchant vessels. The actually somewhat bulky shit that was given to the real warriors is probably as lost to them as the solid-light ships are to humans.

Yeah, they're still not uberperfect, but there's a reason they're pricks about being superior, just like there's a reason Humans do much the same, and are likewise watching their Empire collapse, albeit slowly and with great reluctance this time around.

Thing is, Empires only last until they don't. Probability means that as time goes on, the likelihood of it collapsing approaches 1.
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« Reply #3879 on: April 23, 2016, 04:06:14 pm »

Yeah, Eldar don't even use Void Shields for their Titans. Just really yuge Holofields. Having not played Epic 40k I think the diff is it's basically an inexhaustible dodge, whereas Voids are exhaustible damage mitigation. Like most things in 40k it seems the better deal to just completely avoid damage than actually being struck. That's why the Eldar are always such a pain in the ass. At the table top fig level, they can stack layers of defense deeper than other races. While having the highest mobility and sporting comparable if not superior weaponry.
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« Reply #3880 on: April 23, 2016, 04:08:12 pm »

Plus they actually got buffs from their gods back then. These days they kinda substitute with the paths, but those don't really convey the same level of super buffness that actual God blessings do. Consider how the Harlequins can do crazy shit and are respected by all Eldar regardless of whether they're craftworld or corsair or Dark Eldar. And those guys are only blessed by the God of pranks and trickery! Imagine what a Khainite warrior could do back in the day when Khaine was actually around.
...well, actually most likely a warrior following Asuryan, Khaine was kinda feared before he inadvertently took on the role of a protector God during the fall.
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« Reply #3881 on: April 23, 2016, 05:53:17 pm »

Because the Emperor and Horus secretly switched places
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« Reply #3882 on: April 23, 2016, 05:56:45 pm »

If Horus Lupercal had a Storm Bolter, why does the Talon of Horus have a Combi-Bolter? Especially since the Combi-Bolter is essentially an unrefined Storm Bolter?

Forced rules divide between chaos marines and loyalist marines. Same basic reason chaos doesn't get plasma cannons or speeders.
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« Reply #3883 on: April 23, 2016, 05:58:11 pm »

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« Reply #3884 on: April 23, 2016, 06:42:27 pm »

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