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Yes

19 (46.3%)

No

9 (22%)

It should be more than that

6 (14.6%)

It should be less than that

7 (17.1%)

Total Members Voted: 41

[DreamerGhost]

I just want a system based on creativity rather than pure number management. And I want a simple elegant system rather than an increasing amount of rules patched onto a broken system.

This. I'd move my vote (number restriction) to the ritual system if possible. Althogh essences seem vital, it is possible to discard them...

I have thought it over some more and I hereby change my vote to ritual magic

If you accept these two vote changes, then essences being replaced with ritual magic is winning the poll right now.

For the rituals I think that the simpler the system the better it is.

Huh. Makes the discussion about the Ritual system all the more relevant. And now I've begun thinking about it and thought up a new game setting.

Spoiler: IfAnyoneWantsToRun (click to show/hide)

Nice eazy steps
1)Gather Items
2)Use items in ritual
Each item is a d6, of afinity chosen by user but related to the item. The ritual result is also chosen by user, but related to the afinities of the items. Items are used up by the ritual.
3)
4)Profit
Each kill results in a gem that can be used for an afinity in a ritual and is not used up.

But it is not what we are looking for here.
Chosen Item afinities have to relate to main afinity of the user in direct or symbolic way, each turn of channeling is an extra d6

Spoiler: d6 (click to show/hide)

1 - Item is out (no longer rolls) and half of the power item held is lost.
2 - Item loses half of it's power
3 - +1 for each mage channeling the ritual to the item
4 - +2 for each mage channeling the ritual to the item
5 - +3 for each mage channeling the ritual to the item
6 - +5 for each mage channeling the ritual to the item, Item is out (it no longer rolls).
for each mage channeling the ritual to the item

If half or more items are out, ritual colapses. Ritual can not use more than two items per mage using the ritual.

It would take a bit of tracking and has "big spells only" writen all over it, but that seems to be what it was suposed to be. Thoughts?

[endlessblaze]

I don't know......
mmm...... what if we go for using essences in rituals? we start the ritual and each turn after we can put ONE essence in. so essences are still useful but you cant kill someone on your first turn with a big mega spell because you have to wait for the next turn to give it power with the essence.

it would be useful for making objects and things, while avoiding BOOM "I win cuz I haz mora essences."   

ritual spells in combat would only be viable if you had someone to cover you while you cast. witch still leaves time for a fight and to disrupt the ritual.

[Whisperling]

((Endlessblaze, what was your original choice? I have a feeling that it was for an essence cap, but I'm not certain.))

In any case, using essences in rituals would be incredibly slow. To get just a +2+2 bonus, you'd need a turn or two (assuming you're lucky) to make the +1+1 essences, then two turns to complete the ritual to use them. I don't feel like wasting four turns on what's (at best) a mediocre spell.

That's really the largest problem I have with exchanging essences for rituals. Essences, a least, can be made in the background, but the time and effort it would take to get even small bonuses with the proposed ritual systems is ridiculous.))

[endlessblaze]

number cap was my first

[FallacyofUrist]

((The main problem, in my opinion, with rituals, is that the game would get much less fun and much, much, slower to play.))

[AoshimaMichio]

((The main problem, in my opinion, with rituals, is that the game would get much less fun and much, much, slower to play.))

Now how often you would use big spells anyway?

[Whisperling]

number cap was my first

((In that case, SPD/DEX penalties and rituals should be tied at 10 right now.))

((The main problem, in my opinion, with rituals, is that the game would get much less fun and much, much, slower to play.))

Now how often you would use big spells anyway?

((I don't use big spells very often, but I do use ones with small bonuses for things like research and items. I really don't want to sit around doing nothing for three turns just to cast a spell with a relatively minor bonus.))

[FallacyofUrist]

((Well said.))
((And considering Old King Coal's plans: there are going to be a lot of big spells in his future.))

[Elephant Parade]

number cap was my first

((In that case, SPD/DEX penalties and rituals should be tied at 10 right now.))

((The main problem, in my opinion, with rituals, is that the game would get much less fun and much, much, slower to play.))

Now how often you would use big spells anyway?

((I don't use big spells very often, but I do use ones with small bonuses for things like research and items. I really don't want to sit around doing nothing for three turns just to cast a spell with a relatively minor bonus.))

((I can't see three turns being necessary for a minor bonus; ideally, one would only require one turn of preparation, or maybe a related item. Heck, for a +1 bonus, just going last in the turn might be penalty enough.))

[thegamemaster1234]

Maybe we could combine rituals with essence cap, so middle-tier spells are still readily accessible but rituals required for larger ones?

[Elephant Parade]

Maybe we could combine rituals with essence cap, so middle-tier spells are still readily accessible but rituals required for larger ones?

((That wouldn't solve the combat problem, unless we threw in the penalty, as well, and that's just too complicated.))

[fillipk]

Maybe we could combine rituals with essence cap, so middle-tier spells are still readily accessible but rituals required for larger ones?

And this was my original idea, thank you.

[thegamemaster1234]

I think this is taking too long. It's annoying seeing the game put on hold for this. Should we keep arguing, or leave the game as it is? I just want things to move forward for a change.

Also, even though there is all this talk of sniping across hexes, nobody's actually done it yet.

[endlessblaze]

I say we just leave the game as is. honestly I'm not sure what started this essence argument anyways.

[DreamerGhost]

I think this is taking too long. It's annoying seeing the game put on hold for this. Should we keep arguing, or leave the game as it is? I just want things to move forward for a change.

Also, even though there is all this talk of sniping across hexes, nobody's actually done it yet.

Things are on hold until xmas wether or not you argue. It's just that I have several deadlines thet converge before winter break, and I kinda want not to fail.