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[IronyOwl]

Irony Owl, what's you view on the nature of the scum team?

The versatile powers thing and other... what, 2 SKs in the game make the think the Dark Magus is intended to be something of a one-man army. The Mentor thing is plausible, and depending on how everyone's claims line up might be necessary.

I would be surprised if there's three scum, and am leaning towards one or initially one. My thoughts on balancing three killers in a thirteen-person game might not be totally accurate, though.

I'm also concerned by the flavor I got N1, wherein dark powers were at their peak yet nobody died. That could have just been intro flavor, but I assume it means something major but subtle happened.


In short I'm a fan of the single Mentor converting N1 theory. I assume we have one Dark Magus and one lying power role.

[4maskwolf]

Irony Owl, what's you view on the nature of the scum team?

The versatile powers thing and other... what, 2 SKs in the game make the think the Dark Magus is intended to be something of a one-man army. The Mentor thing is plausible, and depending on how everyone's claims line up might be necessary.

I would be surprised if there's three scum, and am leaning towards one or initially one. My thoughts on balancing three killers in a thirteen-person game might not be totally accurate, though.

I'm also concerned by the flavor I got N1, wherein dark powers were at their peak yet nobody died. That could have just been intro flavor, but I assume it means something major but subtle happened.


In short I'm a fan of the single Mentor converting N1 theory. I assume we have one Dark Magus and one lying power role.

If that is your view, then why are you voting me?  The dreamwalker confirmed that I used an inspection night one and was not converted.

[zombie urist]

The ritual is mentioned in the opening post. I left my house which is probably right next to the graveyard. I did not check the graveyard the night I was revived

[Persus13]

Sorry for not posting sooner. I'm out of town for a week because my sister is getting married, which involved a multiple day car trip with no internet access. You can expect a longer post from me later today dealing with the day so far.

I inspected flabort (now Irony Owl) last night because if 4maskwolf is to be believed, then IO or Flandre/Reverie was scum, and Flandre had confirmed we had a seer. After praying to the gods and drinking the liquid that but me into a trance, I drew an image of a man while concentrating on flabort's name. I realized Flabort was a Survivor. Sage has not previously been inspected by Fortune Tellers, so I can't say for sure if Irony is a Sage.

4maskwolf, did you flavor claim before Flandre roleclaimed?

[4maskwolf]

Sorry for not posting sooner. I'm out of town for a week because my sister is getting married, which involved a multiple day car trip with no internet access. You can expect a longer post from me later today dealing with the day so far.

I inspected flabort (now Irony Owl) last night because if 4maskwolf is to be believed, then IO or Flandre/Reverie was scum, and Flandre had confirmed we had a seer. After praying to the gods and drinking the liquid that but me into a trance, I drew an image of a man while concentrating on flabort's name. I realized Flabort was a Survivor. Sage has not previously been inspected by Fortune Tellers, so I can't say for sure if Irony is a Sage.

4maskwolf, did you flavor claim before Flandre roleclaimed?

Flavor claim of my action?  No.  But nobody had counter-claimed either, nor have they since then, so I'm as good as confirmed as seer and not a convert.

Everyone: Under what circumstances has a survivor inspect been seen before?

[IronyOwl]

If that is your view, then why are you voting me?  The dreamwalker confirmed that I used an inspection night one and was not converted.

The one claim I do have. Fair enough, unvote.

So... I guess 4mask is confirmed town by Flandreverie;
NQT and Toony are confirmed town and Toaster is confirmed not-Dark Magus by 4mask;
NQT is confirmed not-converted by Jim via NQT (hrm);
Sage confirmed likely by Jack AT via NQT (not quite the same as me being the sage, sadly);

Toaster claimed Watcher by Persus;
IronyOwl claimed not-converted by Toaster;

I get the feeling I'm missing somebody, but so far this gives us:


Town:
4mask (would require townflipped Flandreverie to be lying or foiled N1)
NQT (would require town 4mask and Flandreverie to be lying or foiled N3, and townflipped Jim to be lying or foiled N1-N3)
Toony (would require town 4mask and possible convert Toaster to be lying or foiled N2)
ZU (would require Toony's rez going awry, or being lying or mistaken about it N2)

Possible Converts:
Toaster (would require town 4mask to be lying or foiled N1 and possible dark magus Perseus to be lying or foiled N2)
Persus (no qualifiers)

Possible Dark Magi:
IronyOwl (Reasonably difficult Sage intel; requires fortunate guessing or converting the real Sage)
Persus (Reasonably known but risky Fortune Teller intel; requires guessing NQT's role or converting the real Fortune Teller)


So... unless I'm missing something here, the Dark Magus has to be me or Persus, right? Assuming I'm correct about there just being the one with a conversion. That'd make Toaster the N1 apprentice.

Everyone: Under what circumstances has a survivor inspect been seen before?

I actually have no idea. I would have assumed Sage would be a Watcher, but in retrospect I'm not actually Watching anyone, just receiving information.

[ToonyMan]

Pretty sure sage does not come up as survivor? Let me check.

[zombie urist]

Converts happen after investigations so Toaster still can be converted

[ToonyMan]

Oh it hasn't happened before.

MOD:
What role result would a Sage be?

[notquitethere]

I just checked (though might have missed something) and here are all confirmed inspection results. In brackets are the new claimed results:

Watcher
Seer
Sexton
Warlock
(Thief)

Changer
Vampire Lord
Devil
Exorcist
Priest

Survivor
Coven Witch
Knight
(Sage)

Protector
Guardian Angel

Killer
Werebear

[IronyOwl]

Converts happen after investigations so Toaster still can be converted

I said that. By "would require X" I meant "for him to be a Dark Magus instead."


Actually, now that I think about it, Persus claiming me as a Survivor means I can't be the Dark Magus either, unless he's on a different team than me or there's shenanigans. I think he just shafted himself. Unless Dark Magus has so many powers that it evens out to Survivor somehow.

[IronyOwl]

Actually he could be my apprentice lying to cover for me. Which would be desperate, but I guess we would be in this situation.

[zombie urist]

Intuitively the dark magus sounds like a killer

[Mephansteras]

Oh it hasn't happened before.

MOD:
What role result would a Sage be?

That information has not been revealed yet.

[4maskwolf]

Hold up.

Sexton and sage are both passive information roles, I think.

Yet if IO is a sage, Persus is saying they go in different categories.

I'm guessing that one of the two of you is lying.

ZU: is sexton a passive role, or do you have to take an action?