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MAP : Cradle of dominion ?

Yes !
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OK with custom ports
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it would need 1 wrapping
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it would need 2 wrappings
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No, and it would look too wierd with wrapping.
- 1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: June 02, 2014, 04:59:26 pm


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Toady Two

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Re: Dominions 4 Round 4.06: Sub sub sub ?
« Reply #360 on: June 23, 2014, 03:06:35 pm »
Ugh. I was hoping to at least experiment a bit with Dai-Oni builds but the the capital is under siege...

EDIT: Why even look for a sub for a nation that is going to be exterminated in a few turns...
« Last Edit: June 23, 2014, 03:12:22 pm by Toady Two »
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Re: Dominions 4 Round 4.06: Sub sub sub ?
« Reply #361 on: June 23, 2014, 03:15:20 pm »
Sheer sadism. Maybe.

Edit: No, I'm actually sorry if the position is worse than I imagined it would be >_>
« Last Edit: June 23, 2014, 03:37:37 pm by lijacote »
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Re: Dominions 4 Round 4.06: Sub sub sub ?
« Reply #362 on: June 24, 2014, 02:40:02 am »
Quote from: Toady Two on June 23, 2014, 03:06:35 pm
Ugh. I was hoping to at least experiment a bit with Dai-Oni builds but the the capital is under siege...

EDIT: Why even look for a sub for a nation that is going to be exterminated in a few turns...
hmm...he will last some time but you're right...it doesn't look good.

Some pages (page 19ff) ago you can read why it is like that I think.
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Re: Dominions 4 Round 4.06: Sub sub sub ?
« Reply #363 on: June 24, 2014, 04:26:50 am »
Quote from: HopFlash on June 24, 2014, 02:40:02 am
Some pages (page 19ff) ago you can read why it is like that I think.

Could you give me a tl;dr on the situation.

I understand that Yomi insulted / betrayed Ulm somehow and then got his ass handed to him.

In that case, Ulm please stop killing me as I'm not the guy that insulted you. I was tricked into subbing this game hoping I could try out some of the stuff Yomi has. I agree to pay you tribute and fight your enemies if you let me keep my capital and surrounding provinces.
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Re: Dominions 4 Round 4.06: Sub sub sub ?
« Reply #364 on: June 24, 2014, 04:30:58 am »
Quote from: Toady Two on June 24, 2014, 04:26:50 am
Quote from: HopFlash on June 24, 2014, 02:40:02 am
Some pages (page 19ff) ago you can read why it is like that I think.
I was tricked into subbing this game
Hey! I resent that. I made no promises about any dai-oni!
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Re: Dominions 4 Round 4.06: Sub sub sub ?
« Reply #365 on: June 24, 2014, 06:09:33 am »
Unfortunately, if I remember correctly, he's in a corner, and you're in the way. (Except I've seen him, and he's in the middle of the map, so that can't be right)
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Re: Dominions 4 Round 4.06: Sub sub sub ?
« Reply #366 on: June 24, 2014, 06:41:52 am »
my point of view...
he provoked with territory expansion and making no friendly diplomacy about it (e.g. don't want to talk about borders so early) so more enemies than friends...now going to have fewer territory.
And if I see the positions of land owning right then his land could be divided already to other dominions.
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Re: Dominions 4 Round 4.06: Sub sub sub ?
« Reply #367 on: June 24, 2014, 07:59:57 am »
Guys, the correct solution to a player abandoning a losing game, as I understand is the case here, is to set him to AI, not to look for subs. Tompliss might've not been aware of the situation in Yomi, but some of you were, and should've spoken against substitution.

Now we've got Toady Two being handed a nation he can't play, and Ragnoff being asked to give up his hard won victories - which is hardly fair on him.


The only sensible thing to do now, is to let the man set the nation to AI, and apologise for the inconvenience.
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Re: Dominions 4 Round 4.06: Sub sub sub ?
« Reply #368 on: June 24, 2014, 08:02:04 am »
Absolutely, if the situation is as dire as it seems to be, by all means: go AI. If you're feeling feisty, you could script whatever is left to prepare for a storm or... well. Up to you.
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Re: Dominions 4 Round 4.06: Sub sub sub ?
« Reply #369 on: June 24, 2014, 08:22:53 am »
I can go ai if you guys want but the tompliss said that you were waiting for the original Yomi player to come back. It is safe to assume he will be defeated before he comes back.
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Re: Dominions 4 Round 4.06: Sub sub sub ?
« Reply #370 on: June 24, 2014, 08:46:52 am »
Well, he posted the same message in both 4.06 and 4.07, telling we could use a sub, and I didn't think he would be in such a bad position. I asked for a sub for him as he was pretty much gone and I am the admin of this game (but clearly not one of his neighbours)...
Sorry about that, Toady Two.
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Re: Dominions 4 Round 4.06: Sub sub sub ?
« Reply #371 on: June 24, 2014, 12:18:34 pm »
Personally, I wasn't aware of how his war was going.

Well, you can always give it your best shot, see how long you can hold off Ulm (though if you only have one fort and they're sieging it, I suspect the answer is 'not long').
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Re: Dominions 4 Round 4.06: Sub sub sub ?
« Reply #372 on: June 24, 2014, 02:37:23 pm »
I saw the request to sub but could not answer right away as i was headed outthe doo.  I also was tryign to avaoid a public discussion of our war - which may have just encouraged another person to attack me (one of the reasons I did not want to discuss this on the open forum so much) as they now knew I was engaged.  I do admit the prior Yomi's public anouncesment may have already confirmed that.

I was trying to deside while I was out that day whether suggesting the player be putt on AI would be a honest suggestion or would be seen as self serving as it may allow me to wrap this battle up more quickly. By the time I got back to the computer the sub had already been found and the choice became moot.  Now my choices seem equally problematic.  No way i can put forward a recommendation that could not be influenced by my position.  I would not be opposed to the nation set to AI.  As the sub was intended as a stand in - possibly long stand in but stand in none the less, I cannot see how it would be good for me to let Yomi rebuild and then have teh original player return.

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Re: Dominions 4 Round 4.06: Sub sub sub ?
« Reply #373 on: June 24, 2014, 02:54:19 pm »
I'm going AI. There is no use in denying you your spoils and I trust the AI can manage waiting to be stormed.
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Re: Dominions 4 Round 4.06: Sub sub sub ?
« Reply #374 on: June 24, 2014, 04:05:21 pm »
Ok, thanks for being willing to step in and I am sorry again that I was not quick enough on the ball to discuss this and just ste it to AI when he left.
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