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[Meph]

Say, has anyone ever entered TITAN_#, FORGOTTEN_BEAST_#, DEMON_#, WEREBEAST_#, or NIGHTCREATURE_# in the creature field of an entity? If the hypothesis is correct, than they are generated before the civs are placed, and procedually generated civ members are a thing.

Just imagine babysnatching demons, ambushing werebeast, titan sieges and forgotten beast caravans. Different ones; for every world you gen.

[ThothTheScribe]

Standing by for FUN. And hopefully playing as a Forgotten Beast in adventure mode. 

[TheFlame52]

PTW, and I think I remember something a while ago. Meph or Deon may have been involved. I don't think the experimenter actually posted the results. Search 'playing as forgotten beasts', that might bring it up.

EDIT: Found it and it was Putnam.
DOUBLEEDIT: Found another good resource while searching for demon raws.

[jaxy15]

I've done something like that for playing demon outsiders in adventure mode. It worked fine.

[TheFlame52]

I actually have some random demon raws now. I got them using the utility DFWorldTinker. If anyone wants them, I'll upload them to DFFD.

[Quietust]

I actually have some random demon raws now. I got them using the utility DFWorldTinker. If anyone wants them, I'll upload them to DFFD.

I've got a script that can do the same thing - works with versions 0.31.01 through 0.34.11, and it's straightforward to adapt it to newer versions as they are released.

[GavJ]

Neither of those links work. They work, they point to stuff, but the advice in them doesn't work.

Adding an entity with:

[ENTITY:CLOWNADVENTURE]
   [INDIV_CONTROLLABLE]
   [ADVENTURE_TIER:4]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_1]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_2]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_3]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_4]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_5]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_6]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_7]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_8]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_9]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_10]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_11]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_12]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_13]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_14]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_15]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_16]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_17]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_18]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_19]
   [CREATURE:DEMON_20]

Accomplished exactly nothing. Didn't stop world gen. Didn't show up in legends. Didn't generate any errors. Didn't allow demons in adventure mode.

[BlackFlyme]

I copied that entity into my version of DF and genned a small world using the standard settings, and couldn't select them either.

Then I DL'd version 0.31.25 of DF to see if that entity would work, since it was the version that was current when the question was asked in the adventure questions thread.

I also added [CREATURE:TITAN_1] through to [CREATURE:TITAN_10], and genned a small world, and was able to choose to play as a titan or demon. Though it was only possible to play as five different titans, which was probably because the game only generated five types of titan in that world.

[Meph]

I am less interested in playing as them as an adventurer, more in a sieging civ for fort mode, which should work fine. Obviously better and worse in different worlds, for example a civ of flying FBs would be broken (no pathfinding for them), but overall I think it would work nicely.

[TheFlame52]

I'm about 4/5 of the way done with a clown civ for the mod in my signature. 33 castes made from actual clowns. That's sorta what you wanted, right?

[GavJ]

I also tried it as a civ and it also did not work.

Presumably there's a good chance of it working in version 0.31.25 but seemingly not the current one, given the above post.

I tried all sorts of things including merely replacing dwarf in mountain civ with different iterations of demon(s) as well as from-scratch civs.

[Knight Otu]

I also tried it as a civ and it also did not work.

Presumably there's a good chance of it working in version 0.31.25 but seemingly not the current one, given the above post.

I tried all sorts of things including merely replacing dwarf in mountain civ with different iterations of demon(s) as well as from-scratch civs.

I'm not sure when I tried this the last time (I think I did when the procedural demons etc first came out), but the best I got with the procedural creatures was adventurers only (outsider type only even, I believe). I might have tried with the procedural hags/trolls, but I'm not sure. I suspect the problem here is that the creatures may be generated after the raws are read and the civilization structure finalized, and at that time, world gen has no idea what a DEMON_1 is supposed to be - but when you start an adventurer, the game looks at the entity structure, sees a DEMON_1, and says "Okay, one brute of iron, coming right up."

[Dirst]

I also tried it as a civ and it also did not work.

Presumably there's a good chance of it working in version 0.31.25 but seemingly not the current one, given the above post.

I tried all sorts of things including merely replacing dwarf in mountain civ with different iterations of demon(s) as well as from-scratch civs.

I'm not sure when I tried this the last time (I think I did when the procedural demons etc first came out), but the best I got with the procedural creatures was adventurers only (outsider type only even, I believe). I might have tried with the procedural hags/trolls, but I'm not sure. I suspect the problem here is that the creatures may be generated after the raws are read and the civilization structure finalized, and at that time, world gen has no idea what a DEMON_1 is supposed to be - but when you start an adventurer, the game looks at the entity structure, sees a DEMON_1, and says "Okay, one brute of iron, coming right up."

That makes sense if procedurally generated stuff is procedurally generated after entities are spawned.  In an upcoming version (though not sure the imminent one), groups will be founding new entities after Year 1.  This may not help all by itself since it's unlikely that a few breeding pairs of DEMON_1's are going to huddle together in the same ruin, but it might re-arrange the order of operations during world gen.

[Meph]

Now I am sad. I just tried to gen a world with a fortress civ of DEMON_1 creatures. Doesnt world, the world gen cancels every time when it tries to place the civ.

I might do some more tests with forgotten beasts and titans at least, but I dont think it will work.

Workaround: Gen a world, extract the procedual creature from the raws, add all of them to your civs, gen a new world with the old procedually creatures as part of your raws. Thats almost as good.

[TheFlame52]

Workaround: Gen a world, extract the procedual creature from the raws, add all of them to your civs, gen a new world with the old procedually creatures as part of your raws. Thats almost as good.

That's what I did, except I combined more than one demon into one creature using castes.