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[mifki]

Apparently there's an issue with multilevel and transparency in some cases, just saying that I'm aware of it.

[Meph]

I noticed something strange related to vermin and transparency. It sometimes works.



If the vermin is on top of a floor, it does not work.
If the vermin is on top of another item, it does work, but shows the floor instead of the item.

Example above has a worm on the same tile as a nestbox, and voilą, the vermin has transparency.

Maybe it helps you figuring out creature transparency.

[mifki]

Version 6.30 has unit and workshop transparency support. Thanks to Toady for exposing the required methods of the unit class.

Enabled with "twbt unit_transparency 1" and "twbt workshop_transparency 1" commands.

Happy New Year!

[jecowa]

Version 6.30 has unit and workshop transparency support. Thanks to Toady for exposing the required methods of the unit class.

Enabled with "twbt unit_transparency 1" and "twbt workshop_transparency 1" commands.

Happy New Year!

Oh, nice! Does version 6.30 use DFHack 0.44.03-beta1?

[mifki]

Version 6.30 has unit and workshop transparency support. Thanks to Toady for exposing the required methods of the unit class.

Enabled with "twbt unit_transparency 1" and "twbt workshop_transparency 1" commands.

Happy New Year!

Oh, nice! Does version 6.30 use DFHack 0.44.03-beta1?

Yes.

[Meph]

Fantastic, I'll do some tests ride away.

Btw, is there any reason there are overrides for magma-smelters and magma-forges, but not for magma-kilns or magma-glass-furnaces?

[Vordak]

Thank you for your outstanding work.
I still do not understand - for creatures need to have a file -bg or not? Because it works without it.

I noticed that creature on overridden tiles is not displayed exactly as expected. Below is an example where a dwarf passes through a bridge, but in the background a sprite of wall is displayed.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[jecowa]

Thank you for your outstanding work.
I still do not understand - for creatures need to have a file -bg or not? Because it works without it.

I noticed that creature on overridden tiles is not displayed exactly as expected. Below is an example where a dwarf passes through a bridge, but in the background a sprite of wall is displayed.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Mifki figured out how to interact with creatures in TWBT?? I thought it was impossible?

Edit: Oh, here's the release notes for it:

Version 6.30 has unit and workshop transparency support. Thanks to Toady for exposing the required methods of the unit class.

Enabled with "twbt unit_transparency 1" and "twbt workshop_transparency 1" commands.

It's off by default, so I guess unit transparency has a similar drawback to transparency in workshop:

However as it is now, there are two layers only - terrain and an item/building/unit(soon). So currently it can't be terrain then a semi-transparent stockpile, then an item. Maybe at some point I'll rewrite it to support rendering any number of tiles one on top of another (or at least three).

[Meph]

Vordak: Any tile using transparency, on top of another tile using an override, will lead to a display error for the override. Creatures on bridges, items carried, items on plants... small price to pay.

[jecowa]

So if you have unit transparency enabled, when a dwarf walks over a tile while holding something, that tile will revert to the tile from the main graphics tilesheet. Is that right?

So if I don't override any ground tiles except for the bridge, then the only time unit transparency causes the background to revert is when the unit walks on a bridge?

[mifki]

There should not be problems related specifically to transparency and overrides. If you think there are, send me your save/config/etc.

However there's a limitation that only two layers are rendered - so for terrain - building - unit it will be either terrain - unit (6.30) or building - unit (6.31). Yes I uploaded version 6.31 to try and see the difference. Can't do anything about it until I implement rendering of all three layers. The same with items by the way.

Creatures don't require -bg because there's no easy way for me to implement loading of such files, so for now creatures just won't show bg colour. That's why unit transparency is disabled by default.

[Meph]

So if you have unit transparency enabled, when a dwarf walks over a tile while holding something, that tile will revert to the tile from the main graphics tilesheet. Is that right?

So if I don't override any ground tiles except for the bridge, then the only time unit transparency causes the background to revert is when the unit walks on a bridge?

Or if they walk over a plant. Or over an item. Or a corpse. Or a ramp. Walk around in a tree. Are in combat, on the same tile as another unit. Ride a minecart. etc.

[Meph]

Mifki, about the workshops... is there any chance to override their tiles based on x/y position instead of tile number?

The hardcoded workshops usually only offer 3-5 tiles to override, out of 9. The rest I can't touch with tile numbers. I did my best, and the results look like this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Please look at the soap maker. It's the only one that allows replacing all 9 tiles. You see how large the difference is. It would make workshops so much clearer to spot and so much easier to design if all could be made like this.

[jecowa]

DragonDePlatino was also wanting to have more control over workshop overrides:

Spoiler: DragonDePlatino's workshops (click to show/hide)

Hey folks, I'd like some feedback and help with workshops. I want to completely overhaul all of the vanilla workshops for Bitlands but I need to know my limitations before I can move forward. I've checked the raws and token explanations on the wiki but I'm still confused.


Butcher's shop, metalsmith's forge, fishery, ASCII as examples.

All of the workshops will be color-coded by industry and have border tiles to help separate adjacent workshops. They will be built out of modular pieces that can be reused to save texture space and provide a base for modders. What I'd like to know is:

1. Can you change the tiles of vanilla workshops? Ideally, I'd like to change them to use 9 unique characters (pictured right) so the TWBT overrides can make each a unique tile.

2. Where can I find a comprehensive list of all the workshops? I always go by raws instead of the wiki so I have the official ordering. For creatures I use the regex \[CREATURE:.*\] and go down the list. With workshops I've tried \[BUILDING:.*:.*\] but that gives me reactions instead of building definitions. I also see lots of strange tags not listed there like CUSTOM_T, CUSTOM_R, etc...

[jecowa]

Vordak: Any tile using transparency, on top of another tile using an override, will lead to a display error for the override. Creatures on bridges, items carried, items on plants...

Or if they walk over a plant. Or over an item. Or a corpse. Or a ramp. Walk around in a tree. Are in combat, on the same tile as another unit. Ride a minecart. etc.

small price to pay.

Yeah, it doesn't seem that big of a deal if one of the items they are standing on becomes obscured. It's not going to be very visible anyway, and it's much better than the alternative of not having creature transparency at all.