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Current one, unchanged.

+4 AS and +5 DMG when moving 4 spaces or more.

+2 AS and +3 DMG on Player Phase, with additional +2 AS and +2 DMG when moving 4 spaces or more.

+1 AS and +1.5 DMG for each space moved up to 4 spaces.

Current one but AS bonus is converted to DR from the end of the Player Phase until the next one.

I don't know but I want to see the results.

[Solymr]

Well, let's put it to a vote then :V

[Solymr]

My rules win v:

Now it's time for the Great Weaponing! The general weapon rework is here and the first issue is if Staff and Performance items should or should not have Weight. They aren't weapons per se but they aren't items either, so their WT would factor in differently.

[SOLDIER First]

They should, because that’s how you derive AS?

[Solymr]

You don't really equip them, seeing as how most games have you autoequip an actual weapon to counter.

[Culise]

Most games, but I was under the impression that it's simply a prevalent houserule unless something changed while I wasn't looking since the last Salt dump.  It makes sense to keep it for players who intend to keep conventional FE rules for staves, or for that matter, use Thracia rules to torture the players to be unique.

[Blade Master Model 42]

Most games, but I was under the impression that it's simply a prevalent houserule unless something changed while I wasn't looking since the last Salt dump.  It makes sense to keep it for players who intend to keep conventional FE rules for staves, or for that matter, use Thracia rules to torture the players to be unique.

Well, when you say 'conventional FE rules' I'm pretty sure that only applies to a handful of the games. In fact, most instances treat staves as more of a skill dependent usable item than a weapon. I didn't play Thracia but I am under the impression that it and RD were the only ones to actually do this.

Of course, sometimes prevalent houserules get adopted in later editions of games. I believe that's how the 'at death's door' mechanic in D&D got its start.

[Culise]

Oh, I didn't know most games auto-equipped weapons when using staves to counter. I could have sworn the GBA games at least...ah, well, perhaps it's been too long since I played those games.

[GM_3826]

It's more like you can't equip staves, but can equip weapons. So you use a Heal staff on an ally, but as you don't have the Heal staff equipped, and have a Lightning tome equipped, you use the Lightning tome to counterattack after someone attacks you.

[SOLDIER First]

If this is the case, pure staff users and pure performance users have an advantage because their AS is going to be crazy high compared to anyone actually using a weapon.

[TricMagic]

That's not exactly a bad thing. They can't attack, so they need the advantages.

[SOLDIER First]

Their advantage is that they are able to use Staves and Performances, respectively. Having double your speed in AS literally at all times because you cannot equip anything with a WT stat is just dumb.

[Blade Master Model 42]

That's not exactly a bad thing. They can't attack, so they need the advantages.

Pure performance or Pure Staff classes have enough going on that they don't need to nerf armed performance or staff classes to be worth having, as we've seen demonstrated in various games (with staves at least, since there was only ever one game that included two performers to my knowledge and neither of them got offensive capability until late game).

Having double your speed in AS literally at all times because you cannot equip anything with a WT stat is just dumb.

I don't think that is possible for literally any build. I feel like even a Resolve Samurai with max HP and no SPD procs wouldn't be able to wind up with double their base AS. I need you to explain how you got there.

[SOLDIER First]

I conflated AS’ calculation with Evasion’s and somehow thought the former was SPD x2, so my bad.

But this still makes high SPD healers better than most other classes with high SPD, because the former doesn’t have to contend with WT affecting their AS.

[Blade Master Model 42]

I conflated AS’ calculation with Evasion’s and somehow thought the former was SPD x2, so my bad.

But this still makes high SPD healers better than most other classes with high SPD, because the former doesn’t have to contend with WT affecting their AS.

Not that most units choose to equip weapons that result in AS loss in the first place, but yeah, I'm not in support of Staff or Performances having weight for a reason.

[SOLDIER First]

...And that reason is exactly what I just said, I assume?

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