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[Tiruin]

My favorite moment was watching Leafsnail play ._.

[Leafsnail]

I mean I spent the whole of day two pretending that recycle was a magic silver bullet against converters, and also that there was no way I could buy convert.

[4maskwolf]

I mean I spent the whole of day two pretending that recycle was a magic silver bullet against converters, and also that there was no way I could buy convert.

Yeah I knew you could buy it, I did the math.  I was gonna nk you, but then I got told the actual use of immovable.

Also, yeah, I maybe should have reminded some people.  I kept pushing to have a bus used on me to prevent a recycle, but it wasn't important in the end.

[Leafsnail]

An NK wouldn't have really achieved anything, the convert would have still gone through.

And yeah if you actually did realize all of that then not telling everyone else was a huge error because we had a 50%+ chance of making two more conversions and probably winning the game.

[4maskwolf]

An NK wouldn't have really achieved anything, the convert would have still gone through.

And yeah if you actually did realize all of that then not telling everyone else was a huge error because we had a 50%+ chance of making two more conversions and probably winning the game.

Actually, the NK would have taken precedence had I actually killed you.  At least according to the OP.

I was just glad that I got it right night three and roleblocked cheese.  Although frankly, I'm not sure who else you could have converted.

[Leafsnail]

I will tell you one more time: that's not how NAR works.  The order of precedence only matters if there's some kind of paradox (eg a roleblocker is redirected by the person they're trying to block).  "I make a conversion and also get killed in the same night" is not a paradox - both actions just happen at the same time.

I was just glad that I got it right night three and roleblocked cheese.  Although frankly, I'm not sure who else you could have converted.

Nobody.  The idea was that TWS would protect him with bus, although for some reason he decided not to.

[4maskwolf]

I will tell you one more time: that's not how NAR works.  The order of precedence only matters if there's some kind of paradox (eg a roleblocker is redirected by the person they're trying to block).  "I make a conversion and also get killed in the same night" is not a paradox - both actions just happen at the same time.

I was just glad that I got it right night three and roleblocked cheese.  Although frankly, I'm not sure who else you could have converted.

Nobody.  The idea was that TWS would protect him with bus, although for some reason he decided not to.

Actually, I read the thing that was posted on how NAR works, and it SPECIFICALLY mentions that instance.  It takes action if an action would prevent another, and being killed sure as hell prevents a conversion, whereas a conversion prevents a kill.

That being said, I suppose you could have converted the claimed killer?

[Leafsnail]

You didn't have enough points to get convert and you were also blatant, making you a really awful conversion target.  TDS would have been the next choice after mastahcheese, then Jack (I think neither would have enough points to actual buy convert after the inflation though).

The NAR wiki page is a little ambiguous, but what it means is that killing the recruitment target will block the recruitment.

[4maskwolf]

You didn't have enough points to get convert and you were also blatant, making you a really awful conversion target.  TDS would have been the next choice after mastahcheese, then Jack.

I could buy off blatant and had kill, and the town had no suspicion on me.

Thought Jack would have made an awesome conversion target.

[Leafsnail]

It really doesn't matter how little suspicion was on you - in this gametype the scum are fish in a barrel that is being constantly fired at by infallible alignment cops.  Only conversions can break out of this lock, kills just accelerate your demise by giving the town more information.

Looking back on it Jack would also have been a bad conversion due to the fact that he had Blatant.  Also I don't think he actually had enough points to buy a post-inflation convert.

[4maskwolf]

It really doesn't matter how little suspicion was on you - in this gametype the scum are fish in a barrel that is being constantly fired at by infallible alignment cops.  Only conversions can break out of this lock, kills just accelerate your demise by giving the town more information.

Looking back on it Jack would also have been a bad conversion due to the fact that he had Blatant.  Also I don't think he actually had enough points to buy a post-inflation convert.

Nobody did, but having the scum team have one player above suspicion is a really useful thing.  That's how we won in GBU, along with a random triple-town-kill.  Nobody suspected me to the point that they were about to lynch me for being the final town.

[TheWetSheep]

Nobody.  The idea was that TWS would protect him with bus, although for some reason he decided not to.

Yeah, I thought there was a pretty big possibility that Cheese wouldn't be blocked and I would be, and I was worried about my magnetic bus.

[Leafsnail]

Nobody did, but having the scum team have one player above suspicion is a really useful thing.  That's how we won in GBU, along with a random triple-town-kill.  Nobody suspected me to the point that they were about to lynch me for being the final town.

The two problems with this
1) You wouldn't be above suspicion because I would have died and flipped converter
2) Even if you were 100% above suspicion you would still be found through PoE and lynched within a few days

I didn't play in GBU but I don't think every player in that had the capacity to make infallible inspections every night.

[Leafsnail]

Something that would have been really cool is if Objective changelinged me night two, but he didn't take any action for some reason.

[4maskwolf]

I was actually arguing for getting Jack A T as scum.