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[FallenAngel]

I had a summary post that explained all the character backgrounds but then google crashed and I'm not in the mood to do it again. What's giving you trouble?

I had read on Steelhold's lore and history, but that was a good while back.
All I know is that Corley is a bloodkin, bloodkin are bad, Corley is mischievous, and is trying to end Demongate.
The rest I'm quite blurry on.

[Deus Asmoth]

Thikut was Asmoth's daughter, she gained immortality at the age of eight and that (combined with her mother's unique approach to medicine) made her somewhat immoral. Nish led the Bloodkin forces in the lands of the First Iron. Rhaken's passage is a few hundred years before Demongate was founded.

[FallenAngel]

Now it makes sense. Thanks.

[jrrocks1]

Rhaken have you ever considered writing a dwarf fortress story? As in completely fictional with only you writing but based on the game. There are stories like that

[Rhaken]

Rhaken have you ever considered writing a dwarf fortress story? As in completely fictional with only you writing but based on the game. There are stories like that

All the time. I have so many ideas I don't even know where to put them. I've even considered novelizing the Steelhold saga and making it into a more cohesive plot overall. Hells, I've already worked out some neat stuff we can throw in if we embark by the ocean next time, and three possible dwarves I can work with.

The problem is time. There simply aren't enough hours in a day to read, write, make music, play games AND become a computer engineer while still getting more than 10 minutes of sleep. I shudder to think what it'll be like in a year or so when I have to write my thesis.

Thankfully, I have a handful of free days now. With some luck, I'll finish this wall-o'-text flashback in that time. It just kind of grows naturally at times. I didn't expect it to be this large when I got started, nor did I expect to write certain scenes that you'll see in the next part.

[jrrocks1]

Honestly I think you should try to create a story I would LOVE to read anything you write but instead of doing what you did here which is write a ton of stuff but wait to post it. You should write a bit, post it and then continue writing when you get a chance. It would be cool if you did the Steelhold thing too I'm sure you could write the story awesomely.

[FallenAngel]

Yeah, your writing's great.
Blows mine out of the water.
However, I do already have a dwarf and plot fragment for the port fort.
I'll think up one or two more just to be safe.

[Rhaken]

As long as you're throwing praise around, I suggest throwing some Asmoth's way while you're at it. The Thikut scenes are his doing, and they turned out pretty damn great.

[Renugal]

Rhaken have you ever considered writing a dwarf fortress story? As in completely fictional with only you writing but based on the game. There are stories like that

I'd buy it.

Unrelated though, will you be using the newest version of DF or .34? It would be disappointing to get far along into the fort then just stop dead because a new update broke compatibility between versions.

[Deus Asmoth]

One more idea for the next fort: would people be interested in a non-standard turn order similar to the Dwarven Democracy thingie? Something like dividing the dwarves into factions (ie, Army, Workers and Farmers+Hunters) and for every triumph they get bonuses to the public opinion of the faction (like if the army routs a siege with no losses it's +5 PO, but when a baby gets kidnapped they get -1PO). Alternatively, player-made political parties could serve a similar function, with each party gaining a percentage of each groups public opinion depending on how many members of the party are in that group. At the start of each year, the most popular political group then elects an overseer from among themselves, but a dwarf can only be overseer once every three to five years.

This is just because it feels slightly weird when we're doing a story heavy fort and the person in charge suddenly cedes their power to their greatest enemy for no apparent reason.

[MDFification]

One more idea for the next fort: would people be interested in a non-standard turn order similar to the Dwarven Democracy thingie? Something like dividing the dwarves into factions (ie, Army, Workers and Farmers+Hunters) and for every triumph they get bonuses to the public opinion of the faction (like if the army routs a siege with no losses it's +5 PO, but when a baby gets kidnapped they get -1PO). Alternatively, player-made political parties could serve a similar function, with each party gaining a percentage of each groups public opinion depending on how many members of the party are in that group. At the start of each year, the most popular political group then elects an overseer from among themselves, but a dwarf can only be overseer once every three to five years.

This is just because it feels slightly weird when we're doing a story heavy fort and the person in charge suddenly cedes their power to their greatest enemy for no apparent reason.

I'm game.

Just so long as it doesn't turn into "the old guard reelect themselves continuously and prevent new players from taking a shot".

[Deus Asmoth]

Yeah, I was thinking of having the score of a party getting reduced by 10% for each year they've been in power to prevent something like that. I imagine most players will end up with their own party and allegiances in any case, so we should get a good mix of overseers.

[MDFification]

Yeah, I was thinking of having the score of a party getting reduced by 10% for each year they've been in power to prevent something like that. I imagine most players will end up with their own party and allegiances in any case, so we should get a good mix of overseers.

Normally yes, but everyone wants to be a part of my factions  .

Nah but for srs, good idea m8.

[FallenAngel]

I'm up for that.
Sounds great.

[Deus Asmoth]

Tentative layout:

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Carpenters, Masons and Blacksmiths
*+1 for every citizen with a bedroom (+3 for each Fine or better)
*+1 for every tenth of the fortress that can be seated in the dining hall at once (caps at +10 because duh)
*+1 for every room level above modest in every non-dining hall meeting area (memorial hall, statue hall etc, max per room is +6 for opulent)

*-2 for every citizen with no bedroom, excluding children
* may need to add more minuses

Jewellers and Craftsdwarves (may also include the broker)
*+1 for every 10 dorfbucks obtained from traders
*+1 for every 10 dorfbucks given in offerings to the motherland

Farmers of all description, Fishers and Hunters
*+1 for every unit of food and drink

*-2 for for every citizen

Farmers are untended to be unappreciated unless you get a decent food surplus.

Army
*+10 for every enemy unit killed
*+5 for every hostile animal killed
*+20 for every semi/mega/forgotten beast killed

*-10 for every citizen killed by hostiles
*-2 for every citizen injured by hostiles
*-2 for every friendly trade caravan member killed by hostiles (if we're already behaving hostilely to that caravan, it's -0. Dwarven caravans are always friendly)

Doctors
*+10 for each severe injury treated (broken bones, severed limbs)
*+5 for each minor injury treated (sutures, dressings)

*-10 for each dead patient (they have to have reached the hospital)
*-20 for each lingering death (rotting, paralysis, etc)

The Leader, The Mayor, The Noble and The Monarch
*+5 for each ecstatic citizen

*-20 for each insane citizen
*-5 for each miserable citizen

Weaponsmiths and Armoursmiths
*+5 for every fully armed and armoured militia member (+3 if not all of their kit is fortress made, +0 if none of it is)
*+2 for every 25 bolts a hunter has access to (max +8 per hunter)

In General
*+20 for each artefact the guild has.

A dwarf would only count as a member of a guild if it was their job title or they had the skill level Professional or better, and each political party gains a percentage of a guild's popularity equal to the percentage of that guild that are party members.

Example: the fortress has three weaponsmiths and one farmer that's a novice armoursmith, and ten warriors fully equipped with fortress-made arms.
Party A has one of the weaponsmiths as a member, so it gets ~17 popularity
Party B has the farmer, so they get nothing because he's not a guild member
Party C has the other two weaponsmiths, so they get 33 popularity

Parties would be founded by players and start with three members, gaining one member each year.
Parties can later merge or contain more than one player character to start with, but will only gain one member per year thereafter.
Alternatively, parties can form temporary alliances, in which the alliance leader gains one third of the popularity of its allies, and can also elect members of allied parties to power. Treachery will abound, hopefully.
A player can't be forced to join a party, but the party leader(s) can refuse to let another player join.
If there are multiple player characters in a party, they can attempt a coup to eject another player character (this may need some internal party popularity mechanic to have work properly).
You can't steal NPCs from another party, but other players can defect.