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Author Topic: Let's Argue to Death!: Turn 4: Korean Invasion  (Read 26167 times)

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Re: Let's Argue to Death!: Turn 2 is a go!
« Reply #180 on: March 06, 2014, 11:24:30 am »

Don't forget out agreement on how to best deal with the scourge of the earth. I am, of course, talking about Bieber.
Don't need to; he's already self-destructing.  Give it another five years, and the most we'll be hearing from him is the occasional tabloid.  Who today knows Britney Spears or N'Sync? 

Don't forget out agreement on how to best deal with the scourge of the earth. I am, of course, talking about Bieber.

Yeah I agree he will die. Also on another note why has nobody decided to play Liechtenstein. It happens to be one of the richest countries in the world. It just also happens to be one of the smallest. I'm not crazy enough to do it. But still I think somebody should.

Could be because it was once accidentally invaded when a handful of Swiss soldiers got lost during a military drill.  Not the most appealing country to ride out a World War in. ^_^
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Re: Let's Argue to Death!: Turn 2 is a go!
« Reply #181 on: March 06, 2014, 11:27:06 am »

Don't forget out agreement on how to best deal with the scourge of the earth. I am, of course, talking about Bieber.

Yeah I agree he will die. Also on another note why has nobody decided to play Liechtenstein. It happens to be one of the richest countries in the world. It just also happens to be one of the smallest. I'm not crazy enough to do it. But still I think somebody should.
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Re: Let's Argue to Death!: Turn 2 is a go!
« Reply #182 on: March 06, 2014, 11:29:52 am »

Don't forget out agreement on how to best deal with the scourge of the earth. I am, of course, talking about Bieber.

Yeah I agree he will die. Also on another note why has nobody decided to play Liechtenstein. It happens to be one of the richest countries in the world. It just also happens to be one of the smallest. I'm not crazy enough to do it. But still I think somebody should.

Could be because it was once accidentally invaded when a handful of Swiss soldiers got lost during a military drill.  Not the most appealing country to ride out a World War in. ^_^



.... HOW!? Switzerland is surrounded by mountains on every side. How the hell do you cross a mountain and not notice?
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Re: Let's Argue to Death!: Turn 2 is a go!
« Reply #183 on: March 06, 2014, 11:31:57 am »

I mean...just saying, us Mexicans may or May not have a leftover stolen blueprint...After all, we were quite the espionage-oriented nation in the past. How about we all take roles to increase our chances of finding some kind of blueprint?

MEXICO!

What do you think about uniting the latin american world to take advantage of our awesome raw mineral reseerves to jack up prices?

I mean let's be honest, when in history have we been awesome? never, we can change that now man.

Just think about this massive mineral reserve telling russia, the U.S, and china to sit the fuck down and let us make some key decisions to lead and save our world?

What do you say, pals?
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Re: Let's Argue to Death!: Turn 2 is a go!
« Reply #184 on: March 06, 2014, 12:35:20 pm »

Actually, the Aussies were just as feared as American troops in Vietnam. And even less so than others, such as the Seventh Cavalry, who earned the nickname "Devil Dogs". Although the environment in Australian breads survival, and strong, adept soldiers, that does not mean that they are better equipped, have better morale, or even better tactics than other countries. Australia has harasses, no doubt, but how much is up for debate. Just check out the Bundeswehr (read the bit near the end about their current operations and equipment.)


Also, I think we should use our country's "Hard numbers" for military. Here's the "Heer" or, army, of Germany currently. I plan on multiplying that by four.

Debatable check the casualties during Vietnam. Australia threw a large portion of their military into the fight (and left long after the Americans did.) And yet they have a tiny tiny amount of casualties in comparison. The problem was the Americans didn't know how to fight guerrilla warfare at all, and the Aussies really really do. If we keep it to Vietnam the main reason so many Americans died was because they tried to use the same strategies they always have. (You'd have thought they'd have learned during the island fighting of WWII but nooooooo) and it caused an absurd amount of casualties to number of troops over there. Also I seriously don't know what you're planning Whitius it looks like you're trying to turn Germany back into a military state despite that pretty much guaranteeing your entire country causing revolts, and your only arguments supporting this is that they need money. GERMANY IS THE FOURTH RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, and no small amount of that comes from how they run things including giving their people one of the highest standards of living in the world.


On another note Kj what may I can control cause I'm fine with anything.

I'm just over hauling the socialist aspects, not the economic. Germany is one of the richest countries in the world due to their manufacturing plants, and really I was turning it into a military state cause the game is entitled "World War 3 Simulator". I assume there will be war. A totalitarian gov. is more efficient during wartime than a democratic or republican one, hence why Rome used to elect Dictators. If we're just Roleplaying nations, however,mill rescind that.

What do you classify "absurd amount of casualties" as? Australia deployed only seven and a half thousand troops, and had relatively light casualties due to the fact that they only fought in two main battles. American casualties compared to Viet Cong was 1:20. Let that number sink in. And even then, I'm not comparing normal American Army, if it may seem that way, but the more elite, Airborne Cavalry, like the Seventh.

Sure, Aussies were more prepared for harsh environment. You failed to notice, however, that Australia isn't Jungle. They may be prepared for harsh environments, more so than the Americans, even, but not for Jungle Warfare. Also, they left in 1972. Before the Americans.
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Re: Let's Argue to Death!: Turn 2 is a go!
« Reply #185 on: March 06, 2014, 12:42:33 pm »

Actually, the Aussies were just as feared as American troops in Vietnam. And even less so than others, such as the Seventh Cavalry, who earned the nickname "Devil Dogs". Although the environment in Australian breads survival, and strong, adept soldiers, that does not mean that they are better equipped, have better morale, or even better tactics than other countries. Australia has harasses, no doubt, but how much is up for debate. Just check out the Bundeswehr (read the bit near the end about their current operations and equipment.)


Also, I think we should use our country's "Hard numbers" for military. Here's the "Heer" or, army, of Germany currently. I plan on multiplying that by four.

Debatable check the casualties during Vietnam. Australia threw a large portion of their military into the fight (and left long after the Americans did.) And yet they have a tiny tiny amount of casualties in comparison. The problem was the Americans didn't know how to fight guerrilla warfare at all, and the Aussies really really do. If we keep it to Vietnam the main reason so many Americans died was because they tried to use the same strategies they always have. (You'd have thought they'd have learned during the island fighting of WWII but nooooooo) and it caused an absurd amount of casualties to number of troops over there. Also I seriously don't know what you're planning Whitius it looks like you're trying to turn Germany back into a military state despite that pretty much guaranteeing your entire country causing revolts, and your only arguments supporting this is that they need money. GERMANY IS THE FOURTH RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, and no small amount of that comes from how they run things including giving their people one of the highest standards of living in the world.


On another note Kj what may I can control cause I'm fine with anything.

I'm just over hauling the socialist aspects, not the economic. Germany is one of the richest countries in the world due to their manufacturing plants, and really I was turning it into a military state cause the game is entitled "World War 3 Simulator". I assume there will be war. A totalitarian gov. is more efficient during wartime than a democratic or republican one, hence why Rome used to elect Dictators. If we're just Roleplaying nations, however,mill rescind that.

What do you classify "absurd amount of casualties" as? Australia deployed only seven and a half thousand troops, and had relatively light casualties due to the fact that they only fought in two main battles. American casualties compared to Viet Cong was 1:20. Let that number sink in. And even then, I'm not comparing normal American Army, if it may seem that way, but the more elite, Airborne Cavalry, like the Seventh.

Sure, Aussies were more prepared for harsh environment. You failed to notice, however, that Australia isn't Jungle. They may be prepared for harsh environments, more so than the Americans, even, but not for Jungle Warfare. Also, they left in 1972. Before the Americans.

Okay I'll be the first to admit you're right but then WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING OF. Clearly not Vietnam. Great now my own insanity won't let me stop searching until I find what I'm thinking of.
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« Reply #186 on: March 06, 2014, 02:12:14 pm »

D-Day in WWII maybe? Although the ANZAC units were dispersed within other units.
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« Reply #187 on: March 06, 2014, 03:18:52 pm »

D-Day in WWII maybe? Although the ANZAC units were dispersed within other units.

Or it could just be my brain doing it's thing. If it's been a while since I've looked at something (especially something as complicated as a war can get and for references sake it was probably 5 years since I've done any serious reading on the Vietnam War) my brain often just starts melding stuff I know together. That was probably 5 or 6 things just melted together hells if I know for sure though or what stuff it was for that matter.
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« Reply #188 on: March 06, 2014, 03:26:19 pm »

Guys, guys.

Swaziland has 3,644 total military personnel. Oh yeah. You heard me. 3,644.

Don't fuck with Swaziland, man.

Also, I think we should use our country's "Hard numbers" for military. Here's the "Heer" or, army, of Germany currently. I plan on multiplying that by four.

Wouldn't that raise the problem of either A) a jacked-up military budget that's going to bankrupt your country, B) a lowered standard of living throughout the nation to compensate for the insane military budget or C) a horribly underequipped, poorly trained peasant military force that only has numbers going for it?

Or D, by lowering government spending and/or transferring from socialist programs will provide the funds for a larger military.
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« Reply #189 on: March 06, 2014, 03:29:29 pm »

That falls under B).
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« Reply #190 on: March 06, 2014, 03:32:37 pm »

Who said it would be a lowered standard of living? It would just mean those currently taking unemployment benefits would have to start working. And in reality, for the GDP of Germany, it's really only spending about 4% of its budget on its entire armed forces. Going to 16% won't be much of a change.


Also, found this. Thought it was relevant.
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« Reply #191 on: March 06, 2014, 03:38:53 pm »

Because, if a Government spends less on stuff that increases people's standard of living, said standard will go down (because if there was any way to spend less money without lowering standards, it would've been imployed already). How much it goes down doesn't matter.

Also the "Hartz4 receivers should start working" argument doesn't work. The job market doesn't work that way.
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« Reply #192 on: March 06, 2014, 03:44:39 pm »

If no one's taken Lichenstein, I will.

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« Reply #193 on: March 06, 2014, 04:00:01 pm »

Because, if a Government spends less on stuff that increases people's standard of living, said standard will go down (because if there was any way to spend less money without lowering standards, it would've been imployed already). How much it goes down doesn't matter.

Also the "Hartz4 receivers should start working" argument doesn't work. The job market doesn't work that way.

How so? Unemployment benefits are a disincentive for people to start working period. Lowering those benefits, or applying them to only those with disabilities will increase the amount of employment. If your argument against that is that it will be too hard to find jobs, there is no shortage of jobs in Germany. Many people choose not to work in low end jobs, such as restaurants, because the unemployment is higher than their salary. That reminds me-

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« Reply #194 on: March 06, 2014, 04:04:22 pm »

You know what, ignore everything I said.
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