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[AoshimaMichio]

Ignoring people in need is standard behaviour for medics. No need to get excited about it.

[Devastator]

Wait, there's to be trials now?

[Lenglon]

It was a series of actions:
turn 1) I moved where I was supposed to, even though nobody else on my team did.
turn 2) I moved out of the square where someone was going to attack the planet for no freaking reason (the action got struck through without me noticing), and instead advanced in the direction of the objective
turn 3) having seen someone get injured at the start location, wanting to avoid backtracking, and not knowing that flight was going to be super-slow, I cordinated a rondevous point that kept us moving towards the objective.
turn 4) still waiting at rondvous point, ended up alone with the battlesuit
turn 5) nobody is injured, and I'm closer to the objective than either team... F it, they can catch up. we need to keep moving. they're in jeeps and don't need to cut nerves, they'll catch up with no problem right?
turn 6) great, the jeeps are going super-slow and cutting nerves for no reason. I'm not team leader, I won't tell them they're being stupid. Just wait for them to catch up...
turn 7) you've got to be kidding. jeeps are under attack and STILL way behind me. We CANNOT afford to move that slowly, but they need me back there... but I really shouldn't turn around solo to rejoin one of the two isolated slow-moving groups at random. If I pick the wrong one I'll be out of range of the other, and there's major risk that I'll get picked off during the solo run to even try it.
turn see turn 7
and so on.

[Nikitian]

Flint, he is probably doing the right thing. He is experienced, and his top priority in the mission is to get it done rather than take care about us newbs.

But the fact that the only designated medic fled with all the equipment and abandoned her duties deserves attention. If she had no intent to perform medical duty in the first place, she should probably say so and pass the equipment to someone else. I'm not even saying she should probably try to help others with her high Medical score.
There's that.

I am torn on this. On the one hand, the basic rule of radio-hunting (which is somewhat relevant here) is that you need at least several separate (widely separate, about on the same distance from the center) points from which to search for the emitter - and with separate groups that is even easier. On the other hand, dedicated medic's duty is that he or she treats the injures, period. But on the third, tentacle graft hand (obligatory ARM joke, Paris requested! ), the grim reality of the medic's job is that sometimes he or she is not needed - with injuries being mostly either light (and possibly self-treating) or fatal (with no way to help nor reason to waste resources); since I did not follow the missions closely, that might or might not be the deal.

Actually, to think of it, I would really like if it were left as is and, post-mission, Maurice had to go on Lyra's trial as chief medical advisor. Because that would be excellent RP opportunity, raise difficult questions (Lyra being his friend vs. possible violation of duty vs. possible greater mission success) and, well, in accordance with Piecewise's preferences allow for IC interactions, and not things spilling into OOC.
And finally, I kept that unvoiced with M19 Auron swapping out, but this is really bad precedent and probably should not be allowed. All retcons are bad, as far as I'm concerned (well, some are mostly harmless, like changing character list before the first mission, but this is not that), and risk-lowering ones are especially so. If you're a team/mission leader, you have to stick to your own choices (inc. personnel) and suck up your own (and your subordinates', and even your superiors') mistakes, that is my take on it. I don't want to sound harsh, but that's just the old "savescumming vs. single save" debate, and we're in a forum game for that sake. It has to be "single save". That's my half a'token.

So please, please, people, try to salvage the missions as they are. No reason to spill the trouble into OOC, into meta, into asking GM to retcon things. Just one time with M19 was bad enough. Make the decision twice, and we're heading for doing that regularly.

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

It was a series of actions:
turn 1) I moved where I was supposed to, even though nobody else on my team did.
turn 2) I moved out of the square where someone was going to attack the planet for no freaking reason (the action got struck through without me noticing), and instead advanced in the direction of the objective
turn 3) having seen someone get injured at the start location, wanting to avoid backtracking, and not knowing that flight was going to be super-slow, I cordinated a rondevous point that kept us moving towards the objective.
turn 4) still waiting at rondvous point, ended up alone with the battlesuit
turn 5) nobody is injured, and I'm closer to the objective than either team... F it, they can catch up. we need to keep moving. they're in jeeps and don't need to cut nerves, they'll catch up with no problem right?
turn 6) great, the jeeps are going super-slow and cutting nerves for no reason. I'm not team leader, I won't tell them they're being stupid. Just wait for them to catch up...
turn 7) you've got to be kidding. jeeps are under attack and STILL way behind me. We CANNOT afford to move that slowly, but they need me back there... but I really shouldn't turn around solo to rejoin one of the two isolated slow-moving groups at random. If I pick the wrong one I'll be out of range of the other, and there's major risk that I'll get picked off during the solo run to even try it.
turn see turn 7
and so on.

Mmmm, kinda makes me think the jeep might not actually be the best idea, it's not even the fact that they just want to take in the sights, the ground apparently is just too dangerous for it.
Also, by attack, did you mean when me and that other person was cutting into the ground or when spazyak was doing that magntron thing?

[Lenglon]

at one point someone was going to fire a rifle in the the ground for no reason whatsoever. in addition to turning on the magetron. in addition to two people cutting the ground at the same time in the same square.

I looked at that pile of actions and got the hell away.
EDIT: the sad thing is, apparently, Lyra at least moves just as fast on foot as battlesuits fly or jeeps drive.
as for the jeeps being bad, it was more a matter of people stopping to nerve-check constantly.

[AoshimaMichio]

at one point someone was going to fire a rifle in the the ground for no reason whatsoever. in addition to turning on the magetron. in addition to two people cutting the ground at the same time in the same square.

I looked at that pile of actions and got the hell away.

It was good decision. Just don't die before we reach you.

An honestly medics are unnecessary on this mission. People either survive or die.

[Comrade P.]

Flint, he is probably doing the right thing. He is experienced, and his top priority in the mission is to get it done rather than take care about us newbs.

But the fact that the only designated medic fled with all the equipment and abandoned her duties deserves attention. If she had no intent to perform medical duty in the first place, she should probably say so and pass the equipment to someone else. I'm not even saying she should probably try to help others with her high Medical score.
There's that.

Spoiler: Talkity talk (click to show/hide)

I am torn on this. On the one hand, the basic rule of radio-hunting (which is somewhat relevant here) is that you need at least several separate (widely separate, about on the same distance from the center) points from which to search for the emitter - and with separate groups that is even easier. On the other hand, dedicated medic's duty is that he or she treats the injures, period. But on the third, tentacle graft hand (obligatory ARM joke, Paris requested! ), the grim reality of the medic's job is that sometimes he or she is not needed - with injuries being mostly either light (and possibly self-treating) or fatal (with no way to help nor reason to waste resources); since I did not follow the missions closely, that might or might not be the deal.

Actually, to think of it, I would really like if it were left as is and, post-mission, Maurice had to go on Lyra's trial as chief medical advisor. Because that would be excellent RP opportunity, raise difficult questions (Lyra being his friend vs. possible violation of duty vs. possible greater mission success) and, well, in accordance with Piecewise's preferences allow for IC interactions, and not things spilling into OOC.
And finally, I kept that unvoiced with M19 Auron swapping out, but this is really bad precedent and probably should not be allowed. All retcons are bad, as far as I'm concerned (well, some are mostly harmless, like changing character list before the first mission, but this is not that), and risk-lowering ones are especially so. If you're a team/mission leader, you have to stick to your own choices (inc. personnel) and suck up your own (and your subordinates', and even your superiors') mistakes, that is my take on it. I don't want to sound harsh, but that's just the old "savescumming vs. single save" debate, and we're in a forum game for that sake. It has to be "single save". That's my half a'token.

So please, please, people, try to salvage the missions as they are. No reason to spill the trouble into OOC, into meta, into asking GM to retcon things. Just one time with M19 was bad enough. Make the decision twice, and we're heading for doing that regularly.

Well, I have to agree with everything said.

An honestly medics are unnecessary on this mission. People either survive or die.

Then we should spend those tokens from team fund on something else than medical supplies, don't you think?

[Gentlefish]

An honestly medics are unnecessary on this mission. People either survive or die.

Excuse you I patched up a synthbody after an attack without tools so he could walk again. Pff, unnecessary medics my ass

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

An honestly medics are unnecessary on this mission. People either survive or die.

Excuse you I patched up a synthbody after an attack without tools so he could walk again. Pff, unnecessary medics my ass

Medics are very necessary, it's just that they occupy a kinda photo negative of the soldier, in that they specialise in occasional, brief and potentially deadly moments of action where their skills are absolutely necessary with the soldier holding back or carving through opposition while the medic is the one patching the thing carved through with scotch tape and gum.

[Kriellya]

(And an opportunity for craziness and Phoenix Wright references. Ever seen a SS13 trial?)

Yes. It usually resulted in me having to leave my nice, cozy home in engineering to go patch up the hole-formerly-known-as-the-courtroom. And then someone calls the shuttle anyway.
Though my favorite shuttle calls are when everything is PERFECTLY FINE IN ENGINEERING, THANK YOU, IGNORE THE WARNING SIREN



@Medics: It would be nice if medics are useful, but I feel the tools aren't really provided to us, most of the time.
Most injuries in most conflicts are grievous and excessive, by nature of the dice and of the threats we are usually being deployed against. This makes Medics that can't deal with grievous injury in a way that puts our soldier back on the field rather useless, and thus far our medics have not been up to that task. I'm planning to try and tinker with fixing that shortly, if PW is up for it
I've got a few ideas, but we need to see which ones fit the game best.

This is also part of why I like the scope of the BlackOps missions thus far. They allow for (slightly) less catastrophic injury, which means our current suite of medics can actually be useful.

[Xantalos]

*yet another post talking about Xanpowers and how they could've been used for repairing fleshy people*

[Kriellya]

You tried that. It didn't go well. Stay away from my patients.

[Xantalos]

Well, brain injuries sure. I just gotta not touch the brain and I'm good.


_{even that was a one in a million thing}

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

Well, brain injuries sure. I just gotta not touch the brain and I'm good.


_{even that was a one in a million thing}

No, that was a 1/6 chance.
Hey, at least the new rolling system should help.