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[syvarris]

Spoiler: ooc for gwg (click to show/hide)

Stats>tokens>my enjoyment of the game>brownie points.

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Your character's stats and tokens are more important than actually enjoying the game?  I think your priorities are a tad off.

[Xantalos]

Spoiler: ooc for gwg (click to show/hide)

Stats>tokens>my enjoyment of the game>brownie points.

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Your character's stats and tokens are more important than actually enjoying the game?  I think your priorities are a tad off.

Don't try to understand the minds of us munchkins, dude. Doesn't end well.

[Unholy_Pariah]

Spoiler: ooc for gwg (click to show/hide)

Stats>tokens>my enjoyment of the game>brownie points.

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Your character's stats and tokens are more important than actually enjoying the game?  I think your priorities are a tad off.

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Hmm now that you mention it i did put that in the wrong place, but honestly at this point its more like "enjoyment>stats>tokens>whats left of my enjoyment after everyone bitches at me>brownie points"

[Sean Mirrsen]

Spoiler: ooc for gwg (click to show/hide)

Stats>tokens>my enjoyment of the game>brownie points.

Spoiler: Just gonna comment on this one bit... (click to show/hide)

Your character's stats and tokens are more important than actually enjoying the game?  I think your priorities are a tad off.

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Hmm now that you mention it i did put that in the wrong place, but honestly at this point its more like "enjoyment>stats>tokens>whats left of my enjoyment after everyone bitches at me>brownie points"

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In other words, "anything else>teamwork"? Brownie points being what allows one to be relied on, you can see how that can be a problem. I hope.

[SeriousConcentrate]

Can we all stop bitching at U_P, so he can stop trying to justify his actions when none of us are buying his reasons? Really guys, we're just going to keep going in circles on this and it's annoying to those of us who hate endless arguments that accomplish nothing. If he wants to attempt to collect loot and get horribly permakilled because he's not murdering the enemy forces that's his own damn fault. And if he gets someone else killed because of his tendencies, then we'll deal with him when it happens.

[Parisbre56]

Can we all stop bitching at U_P, so he can stop trying to justify his actions when none of us are buying his reasons? Really guys. If he wants to attempt to collect loot and get horribly permakilled because he's not murdering the enemy forces that's his own damn fault. And if he gets someone else killed because of his tendencies, then we'll deal with him when it happens.

This
+1
Let the man do whatever he wants and play however he wants. If something happens, we'll deal with it IC.

[Empiricist]

Yeah, but they'd have wings and beaks and sqwak and stuff.

"What do you mean 'it's not a parrot'? So what if it's full of tentacles? It has a beak, doesn't it?"

May I sig this please?

[Xantalos]

Yeah, but they'd have wings and beaks and sqwak and stuff.

"What do you mean 'it's not a parrot'? So what if it's full of tentacles? It has a beak, doesn't it?"

May I sig this please?

Yeah sure. At least my quote.

[Radio Controlled]

Don't try to understand the minds of us munchkins, dude. Doesn't end well.

You know what would be cool? Munchkin, the card game, as a forum game. One could send secret pm's to other player to forge alliances, lie about having certain cards, backstab at every turn... Knowing the Bay 12 community (especially the Mafia players among you) it'd be glorious.

Clearly you giant robot overlords need synthflesh parrot attachments.

But only if they make sarcastic or disturbing comments. Like the CE's parrot in SS13.

Or you can pay me. I'll grow you guys parrots for a token each or something.

And for an extra token I'll give them small nukes or namite grenades to drop on enemies. Death from above!

[Parisbre56]

Yeah, but they'd have wings and beaks and sqwak and stuff.

"What do you mean 'it's not a parrot'? So what if it's full of tentacles? It has a beak, doesn't it?"

May I sig this please?

Sure.
Also, I approve of RC's suggestion.

[GreatWyrmGold]

...Actually, Wikipedia says Ornithopters are more efficient than helicopters.  It's saying the same about fixed-wing, but it's not really giving reasons why.

Well, it sounds obvious, but helicopters are really fuel-inefficient. Useful bit of trivia I read.

...ARM should really develop a man-portable heat seeking weapon, considering how much the UWM's aerial units rely on rockets.  I'll add it to my tinker projects list, I guess...

+1

Or you can pay me. I'll grow you guys parrots for a token each or something.

Nothing to say here that hasn't been said, but...

Spoiler: ooc for gwg (click to show/hide)

Stats>tokens>my enjoyment of the game>brownie points.

Spoiler: Just gonna comment on this one bit... (click to show/hide)

Your character's stats and tokens are more important than actually enjoying the game?  I think your priorities are a tad off.

Verily. Not to mention that other peoples' enjoyment of the game doesn't factor into his theory.
Nor does how the fourth affects the first two.

Can we all stop bitching at U_P, so he can stop trying to justify his actions when none of us are buying his reasons? Really guys, we're just going to keep going in circles on this and it's annoying to those of us who hate endless arguments that accomplish nothing. If he wants to attempt to collect loot and get horribly permakilled because he's not murdering the enemy forces that's his own damn fault. And if he gets someone else killed because of his tendencies, then we'll deal with him when it happens.

It's one thing when he's getting himself in danger, it's another when he complains enough that looting policies are changed in his favor, and it's a third still when he tries to get other people to take risks so he can be a magpie.

Don't try to understand the minds of us munchkins, dude. Doesn't end well.

You know what would be cool? Munchkin, the card game, as a forum game. One could send secret pm's to other player to forge alliances, lie about having certain cards, backstab at every turn... Knowing the Bay 12 community (especially the Mafia players among you) it'd be glorious.

The GM needing to keep track of hands and stuff would be a pain.

[SeriousConcentrate]

Here's the deal, GWG. I don't care how he plays. That's his business up until he actually does get someone killed. At the same time, I don't care if he bitches that we're killing all the enemies. That's how we're playing. Let him have his own set of priorities. If the GM has a problem with it, then piecewise will have Steve dole out an appropriate punishment to the guy who is not following orders and doing things that endanger his teammates for personal gain. If piecewise does not have a problem with it, then whatever, as long as he isn't bothering people.

All I'm saying is he doesn't need to make concessions to us since he's not actively stopping anyone from enjoying the game, and we don't have to make concessions to him either - if anyone wants to go with his plan of non-lethal attacks, that's their own choice. As for loot, I'm of the opinion that whoever does the most damage keeps the loot. That's how Cael and I split it when Erik got killed - we both did damage to him, we divided the spoils (arms and their contents) fairly even though I got the killing blow. Everyone needs to stop pissing and moaning about 'muh lootz', and frankly anyone who automatically assumes veterans are going to be selfish and greedy is being so themselves. Really, Jim is one of the most generous people in game. No one else has lent out nearly as many tokens to newer characters as he has - which is sort of a terrible investment considering how easily they could get killed - and hasn't asked for interest once, only the equal return of how many he gave (and I think there was one time I just let the guy keep 'em). That and his presence aboard probably keeps many new players safe from people who would kill them for their tokens if there wasn't someone around to make sure they'd never get a chance to spend them. Milno is fair as well. Might I remind everyone of the time he awarded tokens in place of Steve to the top performers on a mission he led? And I doubt Miyamoto is going to screw people over for shinies so all three of the generals aren't selfish bastards, even if two of them are Bastards.

[GreatWyrmGold]

I'm not asking for concessions from UP. I'm asking that he stop asking for concessions from us.

[SeriousConcentrate]

Then simply ignore his requests when they put people at risk. It's not hard.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Am I supposed to remain silent? How will UP know that we're not going to put up with his stuff then?