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[gogis]

Is there any actual *thing* happening that we can talk about? Did we talk about Russia banning S.T.A.L.K.E.R yet?

To be frank, I am proud for stalker games. I'ts made in Russia! (they think not)

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Gogis, same mentality you say? Nope, we have very different mentalities. . Read that:

Spoiler: verse in Russian (click to show/hide)

Никогда мы не будем братьями
 ни по родине, ни по матери.
 Духа нет у вас быть свободными –
 нам не стать с вами даже сводными.
 Вы себя окрестили «старшими» -
 нам бы младшими, да не вашими.
 Вас так много, а, жаль, безликие.
 Вы огромные, мы – великие.
 А вы жмете… вы всё маетесь,
 своей завистью вы подавитесь.
 Воля - слово вам незнакомое,
 вы все с детства в цепи закованы.
 У вас дома «молчанье – золото»,
 а у нас жгут коктейли Молотова,
 да, у нас в сердце кровь горячая,
 что ж вы нам за «родня» незрячая?
 А у нас всех глаза бесстрашные,
 без оружия мы опасные.
 Повзрослели и стали смелыми
 все у снайперов под прицелами.
 Нас скоты на колени ставили –
 мы восстали и всё исправили.
 И зря прячутся крысы, молятся –
 они кровью своей умоются.
 Вам шлют новые указания –
 а у нас тут огни восстания.
 У вас Царь, у нас - Демократия.
 Никогда мы не будем братьями.

 Анастасия Дмитрук

same verse read by the author

Spoiler: Translation of that verse but rather far from the original (click to show/hide)

We will never be real ‘brothers’,
for we have distinct motherlands,
so we are of different mothers.

We can neither stick together as friends,
less so we can be like step-brothers.
We are made by different hands,
so to say,--we have different Fathers

You are lacking free spirit, and thus,
so far there is little that joins us.
You are not our older brother;
As to us, we are mates with others.
You are many, without a face by your fate,
You are big, but our nation just grew to be great.

You keep oppressing us, and you fret and lie.
In the end you might chock on your envy, 'big guy'!

About free manhood you don't have a clue,--
the souls born in chains see man's freedom as flue,

Mute silence is valued as gold in your place,
and hiding from truth you practise.
Yet, our hot blood ignites Molotovs upon Berkut's face,--
the brute muzzle of armed and armored injustice.

You presume you are always right,
being about us so negative,
you say we are out of our mind...
How dare you to pose as our relative
while renaming so dumb and blind?!

There's no more fear in our eyes,
With no weapons we scared the evil guys.
Our souls matured and grew courageous
when we stood before the snipers like shooting ranges.

First, the criminal gang tried to rule us and make us kneel,
Now they pray to survive their impending ordeal.
We will rise up again to defend our rights and our will
If some other bad apples try to push their all-rotten deal.

No way we can ever be brothers,
just as tares and wheat in the field.
Тhe two off-springs of different Fathers,
the two different fates had been sealed.

[gogis]

Gogis, same mentality you say? Nope, we have very different mentalities. . Read that:

You think so. But I think different. Same country.

[mainiac]

First of all, don't trivialize shit bro. A large section of a country just got annexed by what is essentially Third Reich 2.0 minus the blatant killing.

This might be the largest qualifier I've ever seen in a statement.  Once you've removed the murder and war from the Nazis, what exactly are you trying to invoke?  Autobahns?

Also I'm pretty sure that a second Third Reich should be called the Fourth Reich.

[GlyphGryph]

http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2014/03/25/7020294/

Russian military after two hours of resistance stormed minesweeper "Odessa" in Lake Donuzlav.
The assault began with persecution at 18:13 , reported "Ukrainian Truth" senior artillery miner mines and torpedoes warhead senior sailor of the ship "Odessa" Alexander Gutnyk.
"Institute proceedings minesweeper" Odessa "two speedboats Russian Federation", - he said.
"So far, the minesweeper" Odessa "evades the attackers, maneuvering," - he added.
As of 18:50 stormed Cherkas with two Mi-35, three speedboats
"Personnel within zadrayanyy" - added Gutnyk.
As the head of the Ukrainian Pravda Media Center Ministry of Defense of Ukraine in Crimea Vladislav Seleznev, the "Cherkassy" going tug "Kovel". According to some information, heard explosions and gunshots.
At 19:14 Alex Tamrazov povdiomlyaye that heard a lot of shooting.
As of 19:18 lasting delight. "We drove and hitched explosive aboard," - said Gutnyk.
"We put smoke bombs that they have not caught up. But they caught us and made explosives. Nobody knows what this stuff. Zadrayani We. This is very dangerous because it can explode at any time" - said Gutnyk.
At 19:40 the ship went down the main control position the wheel "- said Gutnyk.
When asked whether this was because of the explosion, he said: "Yes."
"Ship" Odessa "switched to emergency management post the wheel," - he added.
As of 19:48 Russian invaders have landed on the ship and break the internal bulkhead to get to the room where the crew zabarykaduvalasya "Odessa", - said Vladislav Seleznev.
As of 20:00 heard gunshots and explosions, according to an eyewitness, located on the banks of Donuzlav.
At 20:17 the assault lasted more than two hours.
At 20:30 , according Selezneva citing eyewitness, who was on the shore Donuzlava, tug "Kovel" pulls mosrkyy trawler "Odessa" toward the 5 military town. Above the lake there is the smell of "dymovuhy."
Phone Gutnyk, contacted "Ukrainian Truth" is not responding.
"Odessa" - the only ship that remained in the Crimea with Ukrainian flag.

Do people think that if Ukraine was acting, militarily, like a normal country (instead of being absolutely terrified and basically completely acquiescing) that there wouldn't be a bunch of killing? Because I would imagine that had they resisted there would have been a lot of killing. The question is how long they can appease Russia's military and still stand as an independent country. Hopefully, indefinitely.

[gogis]

I have no fucking clue what he is saying, ever.

You lack reading comprehension. I know you think that I am retarded, but no.

[GlyphGryph]

I have no fucking clue what he is saying, ever.

You lack reading comprehension. I know you think that I am retarded, but no.

... I can't even.

Where is that "ignore" function, I think I'm going to need to use it for my own mental health...

[gogis]

http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2014/03/25/7020294/

Russian military after two hours of resistance stormed minesweeper "Odessa" in Lake Donuzlav.
The assault began with persecution at 18:13 , reported "Ukrainian Truth" senior artillery miner mines and torpedoes warhead senior sailor of the ship "Odessa" Alexander Gutnyk.
"Institute proceedings minesweeper" Odessa "two speedboats Russian Federation", - he said.
"So far, the minesweeper" Odessa "evades the attackers, maneuvering," - he added.
As of 18:50 stormed Cherkas with two Mi-35, three speedboats
"Personnel within zadrayanyy" - added Gutnyk.
As the head of the Ukrainian Pravda Media Center Ministry of Defense of Ukraine in Crimea Vladislav Seleznev, the "Cherkassy" going tug "Kovel". According to some information, heard explosions and gunshots.
At 19:14 Alex Tamrazov povdiomlyaye that heard a lot of shooting.
As of 19:18 lasting delight. "We drove and hitched explosive aboard," - said Gutnyk.
"We put smoke bombs that they have not caught up. But they caught us and made explosives. Nobody knows what this stuff. Zadrayani We. This is very dangerous because it can explode at any time" - said Gutnyk.
At 19:40 the ship went down the main control position the wheel "- said Gutnyk.
When asked whether this was because of the explosion, he said: "Yes."
"Ship" Odessa "switched to emergency management post the wheel," - he added.
As of 19:48 Russian invaders have landed on the ship and break the internal bulkhead to get to the room where the crew zabarykaduvalasya "Odessa", - said Vladislav Seleznev.
As of 20:00 heard gunshots and explosions, according to an eyewitness, located on the banks of Donuzlav.
At 20:17 the assault lasted more than two hours.
At 20:30 , according Selezneva citing eyewitness, who was on the shore Donuzlava, tug "Kovel" pulls mosrkyy trawler "Odessa" toward the 5 military town. Above the lake there is the smell of "dymovuhy."
Phone Gutnyk, contacted "Ukrainian Truth" is not responding.
"Odessa" - the only ship that remained in the Crimea with Ukrainian flag.

Do people think that if Ukraine was acting, militarily, like a normal country (instead of being absolutely terrified and basically completely acquiescing) that there wouldn't be a bunch of killing? Because I would imagine that had they resisted there would have been a lot of killing. The question is how long they can appease Russia's military and still stand as an independent country. Hopefully, indefinitely.

I bet you think they shouldnt? Same country, bet you.

[Comrade P.]

I am fiercely against nationalism. Not like anybody believe me anyways.

And what's so bad about nationalism itself? You know, I always thought about it like it is a snake's venom. In very small doses it is a treatment, and a nice one it is, but once you got more than dose, even a slightest bit, it kills you in a horrible way or cripples.
I mean, nothing's wrong with having a position that includes racial compound, but, you know, your own freedom stops where the other man's freedom begins.

Is there any actual *thing* happening that we can talk about? Did we talk about Russia banning S.T.A.L.K.E.R yet?

Hu? Really? Well, Pirate Bay to the rescue, I guess. Never played it anyway.

@UR: Oh, Maidan poetry. Pretty.

First of all, don't trivialize shit bro. A large section of a country just got annexed by what is essentially Third Reich 2.0 minus the blatant killing.

This might be the largest qualifier I've ever seen in a statement.  Once you've removed the murder and war from the Nazis, what exactly are you trying to invoke?  Autobahns?

Also I'm pretty sure that a second Third Reich should be called the Fourth Reich.

In fact, if you remove ethnic cleansings from Third Reich as well as WWII you get a decent state.

[Owlbread]

I am sad you drawing parallels. I believe we all came from Kievean Rus. Number of people called me idiot on that sentence, but whatever. I dont think it's language. It's mentality. On the other hand, you hate Russia. I am okay with that.

Gogis, correct me if I'm wrong but are you not a Mordvin? Surely when we talk about ancient history you're closer to Digital Hellhound than Ukrainian Ranger? If I remember correctly, I don't think your ancestors came from Kievan Rus, rather... they were conquered. I mean, forgive me, you probably do have a lot of ancestors that came from it but there's more layers to this, surely.

[gogis]

I am fiercely against nationalism. Not like anybody believe me anyways.

And what's so bad about nationalism itself? You know, I always thought about it like it is a snake's venom. In very small doses it is a treatment, and a nice one it is, but once you got more than dose, even a slightest bit, it kills you in a horrible way or cripples.
I mean, nothing's wrong with having a position that includes racial compound, but, you know, your own freedom stops where the other man's freedom begins.

Is there any actual *thing* happening that we can talk about? Did we talk about Russia banning S.T.A.L.K.E.R yet?

Hu? Really? Well, Pirate Bay to the rescue, I guess. Never played it anyway.

@UR: Oh, Maidan poetry. Pretty.

First of all, don't trivialize shit bro. A large section of a country just got annexed by what is essentially Third Reich 2.0 minus the blatant killing.

This might be the largest qualifier I've ever seen in a statement.  Once you've removed the murder and war from the Nazis, what exactly are you trying to invoke?  Autobahns?

Also I'm pretty sure that a second Third Reich should be called the Fourth Reich.

In fact, if you remove ethnic cleansings from Third Reich as well as WWII you get a decent state.

I think that nationalism bordering fascism. In any froms. Not like it means something, it's just in lines.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Where is that "ignore" function, I think I'm going to need to use it for my own mental health...

And I have regular contact with people like him in Real Life.....

[Guardian G.I.]

Well, I'd like to echo the refrain I make every time gogis manages to fill up a page - I have no fucking clue what he is saying, ever. He doesn't even seem to agree with himself about anything, or understand the arguments he's making or the end to which they are made, so how am I supposed to figure it out.

His command of the English language isn't particularly good, apparently.

Comrade Gogi, I'm afraid you should work on your English language skills. The ability to convey your thoughts clearly is crucial if you are engaged in a political shitstorm with foreigners.

[Comrade P.]

I think that nationalism bordering fascism. In any froms. Not like it means something, it's just in lines.

Yes it borders. It is silly to deny this fact. Stay within the borders and it'll be fine.

[gogis]

I am sad you drawing parallels. I believe we all came from Kievean Rus. Number of people called me idiot on that sentence, but whatever. I dont think it's language. It's mentality. On the other hand, you hate Russia. I am okay with that.

Gogis, correct me if I'm wrong but are you not a Mordvin? I don't think your ancestors came from Kievan Rus, rather... they were conquered. I mean, forgive me, you probably do have a lot of ancestors that came from it but there's more layers to this, surely.

I am literally Udmurt. I was born there. But my parents from Chelyabinsk, so I am not sure. As I understood, you are Scot? Well okay. You try and die trying to be a scot? Or what? I am russian. Fuck it. Bigger is better.