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[miljan]

Clashes on Donetzk is between pro russia and pro ukraine people. One is dead from knife wounds (he was pro ukraine) and 16 injured

[nekoexmachina]

I hope that east ukraine would see from this that real (or only, if you mind) facists in currently-existing world is Russian Federation.
Just watched the report in here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUGFF8mM8Lfd1OFxtOa_bCMw&v=NVUAAL11rWY

[miljan]

I hope that east ukraine would see from this that real (or only, if you mind) facists in currently-existing world is Russian Federation.
Just watched the report in here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUGFF8mM8Lfd1OFxtOa_bCMw&v=NVUAAL11rWY

What is so much horrible in that video? Just watch some football fights, 10 times worse 

[nekoexmachina]

Just watch some football fights, 10 times worse

Football fights are better cause both 'teams' in this fights are prepared. Attacking a meeting of people that have another view on political shit AND which you call facists is hypocritic.

[miljan]

Just watch some football fights, 10 times worse

Football fights are better cause both 'teams' in this fights are prepared. Attacking a meeting of people that have another view on political shit AND which you call facists is hypocritic.

Actually they are not prepared. The only thing you need to wear some sign of other team to be attacked, so it's really same as here in that aspect. But again, the video really doesnt show anything that will make you call russia federation facists, as same as they can not call whole ukraine leaders facists (even if some elements/memmbers are/where actually 100% facists )

[nekoexmachina]

http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm
As a citizen of russia, given the way I understand this article, I see evidence of almost all key signs of facism in government of this country; exceptions are points 4 (well not really) and 12.

[Knit tie]

Gentlemen, I urge you to remember that all sufficiently large groups of people invariably contain crazy faschists and violent extremists and that none of said groups consists entirely of those kinds of people. Just because some random dumb russian kids beat up some people doesn't mean that all russians act like this, the same applies for ukrainians.

[nekoexmachina]

Yeah, much negative emotions from my side. Anyone found that offensive - sorry! ^^

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I am getting tired of impotence of the transitional government. It reminds Maydan more and more use nothing but peaceful and diplomatic methods

At Maydan it lead to deaths of Ukrainians, now it is all the same...
Where are mass arrests of Russian agents? Where are closed borders with Russia? Where are any attempts to evacuate citizens from Crimea?

[miljan]

I am getting tired of impotence of the transitional government. It reminds Maydan more and more use nothing but peaceful and diplomatic methods

At Maydan it lead to deaths of Ukrainians, now it is all the same...
Where are mass arrests of Russian agents? Where are closed borders with Russia? Where are any attempts to evacuate citizens from Crimea?

Do you think citizens  that are pro ukraine would leave their homes in Crimea?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

It is not like I propose forced evacuation

Some, who understand what can happen soon, will prefer to move to relatives.
Some have no other choice because they are open members of Pro-Ukrainian political parties
Some just works there and not permanent residents of Crimea
And at the very least we should do something for our soldiers there

[miljan]

There must be some reason why soldiers are still there. Maybe they are waiting for the referendum before they move them out

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Each day without an evacuation make evacuating later harder

[XXSockXX]

There must be some reason why soldiers are still there. Maybe they are waiting for the referendum before they move them out

My guess is that there are two reasons. First, it is symbolic, you don't withdraw your soldiers from your own country, that would look like surrender. Second, the Ukrainian government and the Russian government don't talk, same with the Crimean government, so they have nobody to negotiate a peaceful withdrawal with.
I have read that the commander of the troops in Crimea has asked Kiew for orders what to do if they are attacked or provoked though, so maybe it is something else.

Reports coming in about deaths Donetzk from "clashes". Don't know who, with whom, or how many. Any more info anyone?

Only little confirmed information in the media. As has been mentioned at least one person died, maybe more. Rumor has it that it was Russians who came to Donetsk in busses to support the pro-Russian protests. Here are some pictures.

[Knit tie]

I am getting tired of impotence of the transitional government. It reminds Maydan more and more use nothing but peaceful and diplomatic methods

At Maydan it lead to deaths of Ukrainians, now it is all the same...
Where are mass arrests of Russian agents? Where are closed borders with Russia? Where are any attempts to evacuate citizens from Crimea?

Well, you don't suppose that a violent revolution would be preferable to what happened during maidan, do you?