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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1245 on: March 01, 2014, 06:19:03 pm »

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The most reliable ones are Dozhd' (Дождь) and Echo of Moscow (Эхо Москвы).
In before Guardian mentions that this is "liberal pro-western media"

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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1246 on: March 01, 2014, 06:21:26 pm »

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The most reliable ones are Dozhd' (Дождь) and Echo of Moscow (Эхо Москвы).
In before Guardian mentions that this is "liberal pro-western media"

Edit: damn, ninjad
They are liberal pro-western media, no matter how good or bad it might be.

People at nationalist and anti-Western websites are obviously in favour of the intervention - and they aren't fewer in numbers than liberal folks at Dozhd or Ekho Moskvy.

EDIT: According to Russian private website Lenta.ru, the chairman of Russian State Duma Sergei Naryshkin warned Ukrainian interim President Turchinov that Russian troops will move into Ukraine if the Ukrainian government uses force against Russian citizens in the South-East and the Crimea.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1247 on: March 01, 2014, 06:28:17 pm »

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The most reliable ones are Dozhd' (Дождь) and Echo of Moscow (Эхо Москвы).
In before Guardian mentions that this is "liberal pro-western media"

Edit: damn, ninjad
They are liberal pro-western media, no matter how good or bad it might be.
Unfortunately, those are the best sources we have. And seeing how they are extremely against Putin, they are likely to report all the bad parts of what's happening in Crimea much more thruthfully than the state media. My statement that most russians don't support the intervention is basend on how many people online protest agains it and how even otherwise pro-Putin sources (like Rambler, Rossiyskaya Gazeta et al.) condemn the invasion.

EDIT: Oh, oh, try Vedomosti. These guys are pretty okay.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1248 on: March 01, 2014, 06:36:31 pm »

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The most reliable ones are Dozhd' (Дождь) and Echo of Moscow (Эхо Москвы).
In before Guardian mentions that this is "liberal pro-western media"

Edit: damn, ninjad
They are liberal pro-western media, no matter how good or bad it might be.
Unfortunately, those are the best sources we have. And seeing how they are extremely against Putin, they are likely to report all the bad parts of what's happening in Crimea much more thruthfully than the state media. My statement that most russians don't support the intervention is basend on how many people online protest agains it and how even otherwise pro-Putin sources (like Rambler, Rossiyskaya Gazeta et al.) condemn the invasion.

EDIT: Oh, oh, try Vedomosti. These guys are pretty okay.
Some people have been condemning RIA Novosti before, but so far so good they've been mostly neutral. They heavily cover the actions of the Crimean government, but they don't call the Ukrainian government fascists and don't discredit them as the state media usually does.
Lenta.ru is more sympathetic to the Ukrainian government but also tries to be neutral.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1249 on: March 01, 2014, 06:39:33 pm »

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The most reliable ones are Dozhd' (Дождь) and Echo of Moscow (Эхо Москвы).
In before Guardian mentions that this is "liberal pro-western media"

Edit: damn, ninjad
They are liberal pro-western media, no matter how good or bad it might be.
Unfortunately, those are the best sources we have. And seeing how they are extremely against Putin, they are likely to report all the bad parts of what's happening in Crimea much more thruthfully than the state media. My statement that most russians don't support the intervention is basend on how many people online protest agains it and how even otherwise pro-Putin sources (like Rambler, Rossiyskaya Gazeta et al.) condemn the invasion.

EDIT: Oh, oh, try Vedomosti. These guys are pretty okay.
Some people have been condemning RIA Novosti before, but so far so good they've been mostly neutral. They heavily cover the actions of the Crimean government, but they don't call the Ukrainian government fascists and don't discredit them as the state media usually does.
Lenta.ru is more sympathetic to the Ukrainian government but also tries to be neutral.
Well, talk about eggs teaching the hen :). You obviously know more than I do, thanks for the insight.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1250 on: March 01, 2014, 06:41:55 pm »

You know Guardian, you've never actually told us what is wrong with being, as you put it, "pro-Western". And I'd like a reason besides Yeltsin, anybody that far into fatal alcoholism would have screwed up running a country.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1252 on: March 01, 2014, 06:49:05 pm »

You know Guardian, you've never actually told us what is wrong with being, as you put it, "pro-Western". And I'd like a reason besides Yeltsin, anybody that far into fatal alcoholism would have screwed up running a country.
... didn't the thread just go over how one of the major western powers likes to go about screwing people? Pro-western would kinda' mean supporting folks that do that, which... y'know, has its problems. Major powers in general, western or otherwise, have a storied history of buggering everything. Media metaphorically fellating them is naturally something that should be viewed with suspicion.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1253 on: March 01, 2014, 06:52:21 pm »

Watch pro western news, and pro eastern news. The truth is somewhere between that.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1254 on: March 01, 2014, 06:59:26 pm »

Watch pro western news, and pro eastern news. The truth is somewhere between that.
+1 The most sensible thing to do, really.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1256 on: March 01, 2014, 07:23:37 pm »

Where did the EU go again? America wasn't even involved.

EU: "United States! United States! Quick, Russia is bullying Ukraine because the people there wanted to join us!"
US: "... But you guys HATE it when I get into stuff."
EU: "Yeah...  but... we don't like talking to Russia! He's scary!"
US: "... sigh..."

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Edit: I find it a tad strange that Western leaders/media aren't even responding to the claims that this is a peacekeeping mission. Like that doesn't even come up at all. Government representatives in Russia are all saying that they are there to stop Russian citizens from being harmed, but there's not so much as a "We don't buy your bullshit" in response, it's just "Stop invading/doing whatever you're doing."
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1257 on: March 01, 2014, 07:25:23 pm »

The EU is so utterly feckless it makes me want to cheer for Putin.  Putin's the only one showing any leadership or even competence.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1258 on: March 01, 2014, 07:37:34 pm »

The EU is so utterly feckless it makes me want to cheer for Putin.  Putin's the only one showing any leadership or even competence.
And what are they going to do? Send a nasty letter? Commit troops to invade Moscow? Fire ze missiles?

Seriously, what is it you want them to do?
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1259 on: March 01, 2014, 07:39:43 pm »

Thinking about the whole situation....

I don't know what price Ukraine will have to pay, but I am sure Russian federation is doomed. That country will cease to exists in the next ten years. Probably  sooner. Moves like that will lead Russia to total ruin.
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