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[Mictlantecuhtli]

I find it astonishing how that is even possible.

[scrdest]

I find it astonishing how that is even possible.

I'm gonna adapt a Polish joke about the corruption here to illustrate.


"The [nationality - in this case, Ukrainian] Minister of Infrastructure went to France to visit his French counterpart. The French Minister greeted him in his chateau, invited him to an expensive lunch and showed his collection of art.

'How could you afford the house, the art and everything?' asked the Ukrainian minister in amazement.
'Come here. Look out of the window. See that highway there? It cost 30 million, the company which built it billed it for 35 million and sent the 5 million to me.'

The minister, deep in thought, said his farewells and courteously offered for the Frenchman to visit him if he'd ever drop by.


Three years later, the French minister decided to visit his colleague. As he stepped through the gate, he was surprised. The mansion he saw was even bigger, the lunch a veritable feast, and the art collection dwarfed his.

'How did you do that?!' he asked.

The Ukrainian gestured for him to come to the window.

'See that highway over there?' the Ukrainian minister asked.
'What highway?'
'Exactly.'

[Comrade P.]

I find it astonishing how that is even possible.

I'm gonna adapt a Polish joke about the corruption here to illustrate.

Spoiler: Joke goes here (click to show/hide)

"The [nationality - in this case, Ukrainian] Minister of Infrastructure went to France to visit his French counterpart. The French Minister greeted him in his chateau, invited him to an expensive lunch and showed his collection of art.

'How could you afford the house, the art and everything?' asked the Ukrainian minister in amazement.
'Come here. Look out of the window. See that highway there? It cost 30 million, the company which built it billed it for 35 million and sent the 5 million to me.'

The minister, deep in thought, said his farewells and courteously offered for the Frenchman to visit him if he'd ever drop by.


Three years later, the French minister decided to visit his colleague. As he stepped through the gate, he was surprised. The mansion he saw was even bigger, the lunch a veritable feast, and the art collection dwarfed his.

'How did you do that?!' he asked.

The Ukrainian gestured for him to come to the window.

'See that highway over there?' the Ukrainian minister asked.
'What highway?'
'Exactly.'

It is international.

[XXSockXX]

Seems like an accurate account of what went on there.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Looks like this night will be hot in Crimea

Sadly Ukrainian army is a joke

[Sheb]

What, you want the Ukrainian army in? You realize this will only antagonize the people of Crimea?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I don't want it, but I think that an attack on Ukrainian bases in Crimea is possible

[codyorr]

They want a confrontation so they have their own "massacre" as a rallying cry. Yet they can't be allowed to get away with breaking away. That's how I see it. No good answers I'm afraid.

[Sheb]

Maybe try diplomacy? You now, repel that stupid ban on Russian as an official language, announce it in Russian and negotiate with the government there?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Sheb, I am 101% sure that local "government" are not the guys who give commands

That's Russian operation. That is direct intervention. They try to do what they did in Georgia back in 2008. Move troops in a country, when army of that country opens fire on that troops, wait till army of that country attacks occupation forces and then scream "They are attacking our civilians!" and SUDDENLY have mobilized forces to invade

But if plan A to fail, I think it is possible that Russians will do plan B and just annihilate our soldiers with that "unknown militiamen" who are in fact Russian marine infantry.

Oh and there are no ban on Russian language, that's nonsense. One badly-written law, that was passed in unlawful way,  got canceled. Besides cancellation of that law is vetoed by Turchinov already (senseless move if you ask me)
Finally that law has no effect in Crimea because in Crimea language is regulated by local constitution

[Comrade P.]

And hey,what happened to "Train of Friendship" full of armed maidan activists that was heading to Crimea? This situation is unclear to me. What I heard is that it was frightened off by Crimean volunteer self-defence forces. However, this is what Russian media says, so I cannot believe that completely.

[Guardian G.I.]

Mysteriously, evening news bulletins on Russian television didn't even mention Ukrainian government's claims of armed invasion by the "Russian army". The takeover of Simferopol's airport was mentioned rather shortly, it was attributed to ethnic Russian self-defence forces.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

And hey,what happened to "Train of Friendship" full of armed maidan activists that was heading to Crimea?

Nothing happened. It never existed.

[Comrade P.]

And hey,what happened to "Train of Friendship" full of armed maidan activists that was heading to Crimea?

Nothing happened. It never existed.

Interesting

Mysteriously, evening news bulletins on Russian television didn't even mention Ukrainian government's claims of armed invasion by the "Russian army". The takeover of Simferopol's airport was mentioned rather shortly, it was attributed to ethnic Russian self-defence forces.

Link? Also interested.

[Guardian G.I.]

Mysteriously, evening news bulletins on Russian television didn't even mention Ukrainian government's claims of armed invasion by the "Russian army". The takeover of Simferopol's airport was mentioned rather shortly, it was attributed to ethnic Russian self-defence forces.

Link? Also interested.

Websites of major Russian television channels such as Channel One Russia, Rossiya 1 and NTV have videos of aired news segments - none of them mentions Turchinov's accusations of armed invasion.