Why does anyone think there will be roleflips?
PPE: You are an innocent child type mage. However, there is something extra special and bad that will happen if you are lynched day one, but I won't tell you what it is, so have fun!
This doesn't actually explain NQT's actions because there's no "if I tell you bad thing will happen" element. The point I'm making is that NQT's role would have to be ridiculously convoluted for what he's saying to be remotely true.
Also, Leafsnail, if all he had to do was survive the night, why would he claim so much outrageous hoopla? Ranger easily could have been lynched without him going crazy.
Because NQT is not a very good scum player. He accidentally overclaimed a bit earlier by saying he's a confirmed townie and know he's frantically making shit up to avoid being lynched.
1. This is a linear scenario that would only happen in certain cases. It would not be a semi-bastard if such conclusions were to be drawn, as the consequences would be too high to validate a general case formed during the first darn day.
2. ...The silliness is paramount to destroying the laws of physics. Basing details on my role-even IF I'm a mage, my powers are restrained by the laws of physics and reality--I had to go to darn medical school then engineering to get this passive/active power. :I
3. Basis lies in NQT's actions - he did that before as town (and with silliness abundant in how in the world this makes sense.
I don't understand any of this. My point is that NQT's role must be at least as complex as the one I posted, and that the one I posted is already ludicrously complex for a townie.
A. Metaknowledge. Bastard games are not won by directly pulling knowledge from other games, and imputing the notion of 'It could happen here!' as a standing point! They are used as guidelines, but not for concise and clear judgement!
The meta-argument I'm making is appealing to the core, underlying idea of mafia: the informed minority as scum. NQT's role as he has claimed it obviously isn't town. I challenge you to find me any other game, bastard or non-bastard, in which a legitimate townie has way more knowledge than anyone else.
To not cause any hilarity in this process, Leafsnail: What are your thoughts on TDS and RangerCado? Why are you poking so focusedly at NQT?
My thoughts are that they are two players in the same position as me and there's no real reason to suspect either of them. I am focusing on NQT because he is obviously scum, and if he survives today it would be a travesty.
Counterpoint on why NQT behaves that way: It's a quirk(?) of his in living. It would be too far to profess that he's shoving WIFOM due to his action, in how obstinate he said it-and how bold he was being. While I'd not include the emotional aspect; my kind of information also leans on that being an affector to his behavior earlier--lacking motivation.
I do not know how, or why NQT behaves that way nor can I give a rational reason why he's doing so. However I can base on past experiences. NQT: Remember that game wherein you had powers to make two people lovers and such-such? The game where you trickled claims per day in and day out? Could you explain why you 'tout' or better yet, push forward the notion that letting you live, with the promise of information, is a 'good thing' for you?
He is repeatedly contradicting himself and the role he has claimed is clearly scum. You can't just reason that away with "well NQT does strange things sometimes".
All non-mods: Is that how Tiruin normally plays? With a large number of posts, often put up one right after the other?
Yeah.
Everyone non-mod OOC: For my own personal development as a mafia player, would this be considered acceptable scumhunting in a non-bastard-mod game?
It's not obviously bad but I wouldn't say it's likely to find scum either.
Every non-mod: does anyone have a firm idea of what their wincon is, because I have no idea.
Yeah, NQT does. Because he's totally a legitimate townie who also happens to have way more knowledge than the rest of us.
Guys, I believe the Not Evil already has an (implied) wincon. What do Not-Evil people do when a meteor--or a danger presents itself?
All sorts of things, Not Evil is incredibly vague.
I'll explain why it has to wait until tomorrow, tomorrow. You'll understand then.
Bullshit. Earlier you said that you had fully claimed your role.
And I did. You'll understand tomorrow.
And you obviously can't give any more information before that because you're a
Confirmed Townie Day One Anti-Jester Who Has a Post Restriction That Will Also Trigger The Anti-Jester PartIf there's a tracker or ability-cop in the game, they're welcome to confirm that this isn't the case.
(by tomorrow it will be too late, that's why NQT's going all out in preventing his lynch today)
Nonsense. I just don't want to undermine town's chances by giving too much information to Team Evil right now. It'll be safe to do so tomorrow and you'll all understand why a legitimate townie has access to this information.
Have you been listening to a word I've said? If I tell you now it'll be as good as letting the bad thing happen! It has to wait until tomorrow. If I say now, then the forces of Evil will have information they can use in the night that will benefit them but not us.
This is rich, you are admitting that you have more knowledge than the people you are accusing of being in the scumteam. Almost like, I dunno, you are the actual scum. Also, it's completely at odds with your previous explanation of why you aren't allowed to say it.
If I explain now, it's quite likely the terrible thing will still happen. If you lynch me now it's likely to happen. Be patient. It's just one more day.
Not even close.
Well yeah your actual role doesn't actually include anything like that at all, does it.
Half right. I'm just a confirmed townie and that's all. I'll explain all on Day 2.
So in other words we can lynch you and nothing bad will happen. Well, I suppose something bad will happen to you, because you'd lose.
I'll explain in full tomorrow. You don't have to like my methods, but I'm telling you categorically that it's in your interests most of all given your wincon.
So you have specific information on mastahcheese's wincon too? It's almost like you have tonnes more information than any of the rest of us!
So...thoughts?
Vote for NQT instead because he is scum. Seriously, try to imagine what his role PM would look like if he's telling the truth. Try to imagine why an actual townie would have so much more information than anyone else.
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