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[misko27]

Debating whether this should be in Adv. sub-board.

So Toady has mentioned, sporadically, the existence of a new site, one for demons. We don't know much. We do know this:

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Now that you're going to deal with the missing goblin sites, are we going to see demon sites changed in the upcoming release with regards to Dwarf Fortress mode? Are we going for a standardised or randomised messing-up of the world at this point, and in how many ways can the world be messed up by these end-of-worldgen events?

What do you mean with Demon Sites? Just HFS or something different?

Also, does Dwarf Sites include Hill Dwarves?

I don't think the overall metaphysics/creation structure is changing much yet.  That'll be tackled as its own major push later on when it is more justified.  The new demon sites are more adv modeish, and not related to the dwarf mode HFS sites.
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Since demons have sites, will all demons have their own sites that they inhabit, or will there still be law-makers, lords, and specifically, outcasts? In other words, will there still be a variety of possible ways for a demon to inhabit the world?

I'm not doing the actual underworldish planar stuff yet, so we're not going to super cool town.  Just some fun stuff.

When it comes time for magical artifacts, if their creation actually was inspired by a god, then will the item description mention this fact or even the name of the deity?

It's difficult to say what's going to happen there.  That said, the new demon sites have a slight touch of that in the next release, on a whim.

Things are proceeding along. I cleaned up the demon site maps. 3D maps always seem to gobble extra time, probably because there's one more letter to mistype as one of the other two letters, but we're still on track...

So, Adventure mode 3D sites with a slight "created by a god" vibe. And fun. But what is the purpose of the sites? What are the demons doing there? What happens when an adventurer messes around in it? Tell me what you guys think.

[Witty]

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It's hard to say. My first guess was that a demon "site" was actually a dwarven mountain home that "dug too deep" during world gen, and became occupied by the various demons. However, the recent devlogs and such have pretty much disproven this.

I'm going to guess these demon sites are probably engraved with all sorts of masterful foul stuff, which may have been what Toady meant by the artifact recognition reply.

The sites (whatever they are) are probably going to be bare bones for now. I'm not expecting legends mode to provide much of an explanation as to how or why the demons got there. And I'm also not thinking there is anything too mysterious or new in these sites. Just an ornate complex with some randomly generated demons.

But the optimist in me wants to believe that these sites will be a call back to those cool 40d demon chambers. Maybe some caged prisoners, grime and ash covering the floor and walls. Some really creepy stuff, that gives the place a sense of unworldliness.

[Dyret]

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I sort of assume they'll be shrines with different architecture and added creepiness, but I wouldn't complain if they turn out more interesting. Spots of pure, undiluted evulz have all sorts of potential.

[Putnam]

Procedurally generated weapons instead of long swords.

I think that's what Toady meant.

Procedurally generated dungeon rewards.

[thvaz]

He said about entities too.

[Atomic Chicken]

Dug up a couple of interesting quotes on the topic:

I added in some secondary locations related to demons, sort of toying around with possibilities beyond simple kill quests, but I'll leave off the details for entertainment purposes. I'll probably mess around with that for a few days, and then I think we're going to need to do goblin sites to finish off your involvement with goblin invasions and the forces of evil and all that. That'll leave us with a thoroughly messed up world that needs people to step up and do all the succession and breeding and rebuilding necessary to keep on going.

Things are proceeding along. I cleaned up the demon site maps... 3D maps always seem to gobble extra time, probably because there's one more letter to mistype as one of the other two letters, but we're still on track.

In the first map in the upper 1/3rd of the right side there is a darkgrey "Block". What does it mean?

I guess people who are curious will have to go on a little journey, he he he.  It'll be there waiting.

With reference to this image posted on the devlog:

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Might not be related to demon sites, but seems likely.

When it comes time for magical artifacts, if their creation actually was inspired by a god, then will the item description mention this fact or even the name of the deity?

It's difficult to say what's going to happen there.  That said, the new demon sites have a slight touch of that in the next release, on a whim.

[Putnam]

He said about entities too.

I figure it's something to do with what weapons, armor etc. they have available combined with... perhaps traditional Roguelike-style dungeons.

[thvaz]

Heh. Not being a native english speaker only now I figured that "put a bow on it" means "finishing it". At least I learned a new idiom. 

[Nasikabatrachus]

From DF Talk #19:

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Rainseeker:   Cool. Digging down to the centre of the Earth and releasing these hordes, does that affect your civilization at all?
Toady:   It's going to be interesting to see, right, because people are thinking now, a little bit, and they're starting to move around the world a little of their own accord, which they just haven't been allowed to do for all the years the game has been out. The way the digging too deep currently works with, like, it releasing 50 or 100 demons into the fortress, I mean I'd imagine that's just going to be a nightmare for the whole world, so we're either going to have to put a little bit of a damper on that, or we're going to have to just let the world have its nightmare, because you invited it.
Rainseeker:   One demon rules a civilization a lot of times, are those the same demons?
Toady:   Yeah, and having that many of them is crazy.
Rainseeker:   100 of them, they would go off and ...
Toady:   Take over the world.
Ollieh:   (musical interlude)
Rainseeker:   What will they do currently, as the game stands?
Toady:   As the game stands I think what they'll do is come out at night and patrol the premises of your fortress. We haven't told the dragons how to go from town to town and destroy things, so they won't have that willpower behind them, but they do know how to go round and just, kind of, poke around, like the night trolls do.
Rainseeker:   So if you retire your fortress after they escape that's what they're going to do?
Toady:   Yes. It would just be a very dangerous part of the world to go to. The whole idea of reclaiming it or something like that would be met with the same fate as Balin's poor party in Moria. You know, dead.
Rainseeker:   So that could be some serious questing? If that ever happened your NPCs would have to talk about that, I assume?
Toady:   We'll have to think about something, because 100 demons is too many for anybody, especially if the demons are the way they are now. If we downgrade them a bit then it'd be more feasible, or if we make them kill each other until one's left, or something. We'll do something about it, though, and then we'll have something land in the sweet spot of being fun and challenging, hopefully, instead of just being stupid one way or the other.
Rainseeker:   Have them wander off, for instance, and start looking for goblin civilizations to enslave.
Toady:   Yeah, I guess they could just parcel them up; if there's a big goblin civilization being run by one demon then there could be a balkanization of the area and they could start grumbling and fighting with each other. It's going to be interesting to see how it plays out, because once they get just a little more of a push, either in the dragon direction or in the ... I mean, I'm not even sure what a free-roaming demon is supposed to be doing, if it's just supposed to run around and take over civilizations, or try to ... I mean, there could be demons lining up to impersonate the gods of the human civilizations like they do. 'Just queue up. You look the most like our god of death, so you get to take over the civilization,' and the rest of them are welcome to try back in 100 years, or whatever. It's going to get strange once we put all the world gen stuff in, like the god impersonations and stuff. It's just going to be very strange.
Rainseeker:   An option is to have them stay at the dwarven site and establish a larger apocalyptic staging ground for ...
Toady:   Yeah. The hole is still there. It's something that we're having to come to terms with, with our current demons and goblins as well. In the currently released version, in world gen the demon 'escapes from the underworld'. That has certain implications, right, about existing holes and stuff. So we're messing around with that, trying to come up with some different solutions that meter the flow, so having the demon in control of a portal, for instance. In a lot of Threetoe's stories the goblins are from the underworld, so I think we're going to relate that to it, to make it have more of a goblinesque feel for the current portal that the demon's controlling, so it doesn't just pour through with demons. We already have these giant spires down in the underworld that were filled with demons, but perhaps they'll be filled with goblins, they're, kind of, bastions from the demons or something like that. We're just playing around with different stuff, we'll see what happens.
Rainseeker:   You could have, like, the old impermanent portal that opens up once every hundred years, lets critters through and then closes again, and you have that problem on the world every hundred years or so.
Toady:   Yeah. We need to find a solution that recover from the depredations of the player. It's, like, if you manage to call of them they need to come back. Of course it can just wing it and open another one, or something, if it really needs to, or you can have the peace that you've fought for and get bored to death and get to your mundane quests, right? You'd be moving pastries around until the next portal opens.

[Matoro]

Am I just misremembering or did one of the first versions of DF have a some kind of demon chambers with bodies in upright spears and other disturbing stuff? Things like that would be awesome.

Demons sites seem to be an aboveground sites, since we saw one in that map. Perhaps Curious Aboveground Structrures?

[Witty]

If the new demon sites are anything like the 40d glowing pits, I'll be one happy (and very dead) adventurer.