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[WillowLuman]

I had fun with Oblivion and logged hundreds of hours into it. But I don't think I'd play it again, since Skyrim and Morrowind contain (between them) all the things I liked about it but done better.

[UXLZ]

A (something disharmonious) approaches.

Tribunal was self contained, though. I'm pretty sure it didn't affect the base game world aside from the DB attacks and minor changes to Ebonheart. (As well as a dialogue choice or two about the DB)

[Putnam]

It allowed the journal to organize by quest.

Or maybe that was Bloodmoon. Either way, vanilla had an awful journal.

[UXLZ]

Yeah, the original journal was pretty terrible from a meta perspective, but from an in-universe one that's how a journal would actually be arranged. So it's better as a sort of... Realism thing. Still terrible though, but it was an advantage if you wanted your character's journal keeping to be like how a real person would do so.

What did you think about Oblivion's level-scaling in comparison to Morrowind's fixed state?

I think if you look at this and scroll down to the 'Skills' section it's a pretty good representation of the mindset that seemed to go into developing each of the different games.

[Putnam]

I called that loot system for some reason.

It was fucking awful and mods are a godsend.

For vanilla experience, Oblivion is easily the worst of the latter three, but its modded experience is top notch. The gameplay is marred greatly by some systems, but those systems are moddable. Skyrim has problems in much more insidious ways that are far more difficult to fix. Morrowind is the best vanilla-wise, I'd say.

[UXLZ]

I think if you look at this and scroll down to the 'Skills' section it's a pretty good representation of the mindset that seemed to go into developing each of the different games.

I'll have to say that's probably the main thing that put me off Oblivion (at least, not including people randomly having their voice actors switched. Seriously, I'd swear for all the non-important (and even some important) NPCs they just hired three people to do random lines and then mixed-and-matched. Also the faces, my GOD the FACES) was the loot and level-scaling. It was sort of ridiculous seeing bandits in full glass/daedric armor. Oh, glass armor was hideous in Oblivion though that one is purely subjective. I liked the more sharp, angular look MW had going.

Remember Caius Cossades? Screw him.

Also, Morrowind had Dai-Katanas. WHERE ARE MY DAI-KATANAS, OBLIVION AND SKYRIM!?
Actually, now that I think about that, I have to find a mod to add them in.
The Daedric Dai-Katana was a thing of beauty and glory.

[WillowLuman]

Skyrim did that best. Leveling up brings new enemies but the weak ones are always there, though everywhere was still the same no matter what level you were.

I liked being able to mop up weaker areas or sneak around hire level areas and get goodies before I was probably supposed to a lot.

[Mech#4]

"Better Weapons mod", or something like that, has daedric dai-katanas of the Morrowind style in it for Skyrim.

I think with the levelling system Oblivion used it to handle too many elements. Skyrim handles that better with things like bandits having upper limits on their armour and weapon lists, as well as some items always being found in the same locations.

I think the remaining element that I really don't like when it comes to levelled things is levelled quest rewards. Either an item or an amount of gold is determined by your characters level. I feel like this is trying to control the players game too much in regards to not getting powerful items early on. Part of the fun in Morrowind for me was knowing where powerful items were to gain an early boost in strength.
The biggest issue with these levelled items occurs when you go through a large dungeon, fight a boss and get a sword that, because you did this rather difficult dungeon at level 3, only has 13 damage plus 3 unblockable damage.


Edit: More on topic with Morrowind. The few mods I remember running way back when were "McAsmod's Werewolves", "Vampire Embrace", a series of mods called "Less Generic NPCs" that gave the non-quest NPCs unique dialogue, there was also a lich mod but I can't remember the name. Also "Better Heads" and "Better Bodies" to change the segmented limbs and add some new faces.

[UXLZ]

Does anyone remember if you have to progress further in the main quest before Almalexia does all that stuff with you as the Neravarine in Tribunal. (Spoiler alert. Of course, not really, since it's a 17 year old game. Give or take.)
I mean, I always killed Ra'Virr because he had those nice swords on him, and his house made a good early base.

I think a small amount of scaling for enemies is fine, but for quest rewards and while with end of dungeon stuff it's iffy (they really should have just given the dungeon a level range) it's a no-go.
The biggest issue I had with the quest rewards scaling is that it basically encouraged you to not do any quests until you were level X because otherwise the rewards would suck, not because the quest was actually too challenging.

Oh, and the guild system for everything but the DB and maaaybe the Mage's SUCKED in Skyrim. It was so much better when you felt like your guild was... A guild. It actually had presence in the world, with a building in almost every city.
The companions inundate you into their 'special inner circle' waaaaaay too quickly as well. 

[WillowLuman]

Tribunal really makes no sense unless you enable it after the MQ.

[UXLZ]

It was nice to get a full set of good light armor early on though.

[Mech#4]

Does anyone remember if you have to progress further in the main quest before Almalexia does all that stuff with you as the Neravarine in Tribunal. (Spoiler alert. Of course, not really, since it's a 17 year old game. Give or take.)
I mean, I always killed Ra'Virr because he had those nice swords on him, and his house made a good early base.

I think you had to be named the Nerevarine to proceed in the quest. I really can't remember but since it involves Almalexia and those swords Hopesfire and Trueflame I would guess it would require some progress. The Dark Brotherhood assassins attack you straight out however, being sent after you by Helseth and that doesn't make much sense.

[UXLZ]

Helseth's amulet is f*cking OP. Even come lategame I had a little bit of trouble fighting him until I decided to start throwing those INSANE darts at him. The ones dropped by the dwemer bots that come into play later on in Tribunal.
Seriously, those things were ridiculous. 50-70 (plus enchantment bonus) on a high accuracy fast firing ranged attack? What the HELL!?
For reference, a daedric dart from the base game was... 2-12.

*edit*
They weren't as ridiculous as I remember, but they were still 20-50.

[Tellemurius]

Does anyone remember if you have to progress further in the main quest before Almalexia does all that stuff with you as the Neravarine in Tribunal. (Spoiler alert. Of course, not really, since it's a 17 year old game. Give or take.)
I mean, I always killed Ra'Virr because he had those nice swords on him, and his house made a good early base.

I think you had to be named the Nerevarine to proceed in the quest. I really can't remember but since it involves Almalexia and those swords Hopesfire and Trueflame I would guess it would require some progress. The Dark Brotherhood assassins attack you straight out however, being sent after you by Helseth and that doesn't make much sense.

Na, once the Dark Brotherhood attacks you start the Tribunal questline, just like when the guards mentions about Solsheim starts Bloodmoon. Tribunal will be alot harder as the expansion isn't leveled but you can still go around and do Bloodmoon as the hard stuff like Spriggans and Wereswolves don't spawn in until lvl 16+

[UXLZ]

Does anyone remember if you have to progress further in the main quest before Almalexia does all that stuff with you as the Neravarine in Tribunal. (Spoiler alert. Of course, not really, since it's a 17 year old game. Give or take.)
I mean, I always killed Ra'Virr because he had those nice swords on him, and his house made a good early base.

I think you had to be named the Nerevarine to proceed in the quest. I really can't remember but since it involves Almalexia and those swords Hopesfire and Trueflame I would guess it would require some progress. The Dark Brotherhood assassins attack you straight out however, being sent after you by Helseth and that doesn't make much sense.

Na, once the Dark Brotherhood attacks you start the Tribunal questline, just like when the guards mentions about Solsheim starts Bloodmoon. Tribunal will be alot harder as the expansion isn't leveled but you can still go around and do Bloodmoon as the hard stuff like Spriggans and Wereswolves don't spawn in until lvl 16+

There are werewolves guaranteed in the main quest line... Though I gather you're probably talking about the random level 90+ ones that wander around.