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[TheWetSheep]

Here's a nightless variant I've been playing face-to-face with people that works pretty well.

2-villager mafia:

For 5+ players (probably not more than eight)

Roles:

- 2 Villagers
- Everyone else is a mafia

Rules:

- Nightless
- 1 vote to hammer
- Mafia cannot vote for villagers

Wincons:

- Villagers win when all mafia are dead
- Mafia win when one villager is killed


So, basically, anybody can kill someone whenever they want, but mafia can only kill other mafia. They have to convince one villager to kill the other. If the villagers are the last two left, they win.

The neat thing is that once the game starts, a moderator isn't needed. When someone is killed, all other players will know what the role is due to the nature of the rules, so they can just post the flip.

Let me know what you think and if you'd be interested. It wouldn't be a major game, just short little rounds probably.

[FallacyofUrist]

Hm.

Seems fairly nice. A mechanism for making sure the game doesn't go too quickly would be nice, though. Maybe make it so that a given player cannot lynch two days in a row.

[TheWetSheep]

If someone goes around shooting everybody they're probably going to lose.

[FallacyofUrist]

Ho, folks. It'll be a while before I run Odd Mafia(several months, probably), but I'd still like to get someone's help in designing and balancing it.

Anybody interested?

[Tomasque]

Ho, folks. It'll be a while before I run Odd Mafia(several months, probably), but I'd still like to get someone's help in designing and balancing it.

Anybody interested?

I like designing mafia games, so I'm in on that. I just need to get things settled down first (I've just began my Thanksgiving vacation), but I'll be at full capacity by Monday.

[FallacyofUrist]

Right ho.

[doll]

Spoiler: Broken Hearts (click to show/hide)

The goal of the game is to reach your wincons, usually by getting married.

Players can freely PM each other during the day or at night.
Players can freely create and use quicktopics. Players cannot post in quicktopics while unable to PM.

Players can confess their love for each other at any time. Confessions can be privte (in PMs) or public. Confessions can be accepted or rejected publically or privately. Confessions can only occur during the day.
Players who have mutually confessed/accepted love will become 'lovers'. Other than certain roles, players cannot change their lovers while their lover is still alive.

Players who are 'in love' (have an active lover) will become married at the end of the game if they and their spouse are alive and in love.
Marriages are the main way to reach your wincon.

Roles which target players will target their 'room'. Usually, the role effect will apply to all players in that room, or to the owner of that room.
Most visiting roles will be in their target's room during the night they visit.
You do not target yourself with powers which target all visiting players unless you wish to.
You can target your own room to reach players who visit.
You will be aware of what players visit any room you are in, and what they are doing in that room.
If you are not visiting a room, you are in your own room at night.
Players who are outside may directly visit each other during the night.
Players who are inside cannot visit players who are outside, and player who are outside can only target players who are already outside.

Players who are lynched are not killed. Instead, they are exiled.
Exiled players will die at the end of the next day unless otherwise noted.
An exiled player can be 'smuggled in' by any other player.
If the exiled player accepts, they will not die due to exposure and will instead stay in that player's room.
The stowaway can still PM players. If multiple players attempt to smuggle them in, all will be aware of the others, and the stowaway will be able to choose which room to stay in on following nights (if they are not performing visiting actions).
Exiled characters and all characters involved in the night of a smuggling operation will be visiting 'outside', and cannot perform other visits.
Exiled but living characters can still PM other players, but not vote or speak publically.
The town may at any time during the day pardon an exiled but living character, allowing them to rejoin the town if they wish. A pardon requires a majority vote.
If a player hosting stowaways is lynched, all of the stowaways are sent back outside as well.
Stowaways can perform night actions as usual.
Stowaways who are pardoned re-enter town instantly, and the room they were stowed in is revealed.

Players flip (and appear as dead) in the morning, regardless of when they died in the previous cycle.

The game ends when a majority voting bloc including all killing roles PMs me to end the game.

Role Information
How it works:
Each player will have a role and zero or more role modifiers. Each player will have at least one wincon from the list, plus any from role modifiers. Having multiple wincons may or may not require the player to meet all the wincons to win.


Roles:

Girl:
No actions

Psychopath:
Each night, you may attempt to murder another player, killing anyone in their room.
You may exclude certain players from the kill list if you wish, such that they will survive even if they are in the room you visit.

Heartbreaker:
You may confess your love to players and accept confessions while in a relationship.
Doing so 'betrays the trust' of the player you are in a relationship with. Players who are not loyal will end the relationship.
You may also end your relationships at any time.


Role Modifiers:

Necrophile:
You will still count as marrying a lover if they are dead and you are otherwise eligible to marry them (you are alive and either do not have a new lover or are a heartbreaker).
A player you marry must be dead for you to win.

Loyal:
You win only if your lover wins.
If you are dead, you count as married to whoever was your lover for the purpose of wincons.
You will not leave a player who 'betrays your trust'.

Jealous:
Any player who rejects your confession of love or who breaks your trust must be dead for you to win the game.
The first night you have a new lover, you will poke around their room and learn their full role.

Amorous:
Each night you visit your lover in their room, redirecting both of your actions to that room.
Your lover's actions which target the owner rather than the occupant of a room will target you successfully.

Nosy:
Each night you may poke around a players room, learning their full role.

Survivalist:
You do not die from exposure if you are outside.
You may choose one other player who is currently outside each night to also keep alive.

Antagonistic:
You may bully a player each night, causing them to spend the day outside.
Bullied players cannot send PMs.
Bullied players can still be voted.
Because a bullied player cannot send PMs, they will not be able to be smuggled in if exiled during the day.

Loner:
You cannot send PMs.
This prevents you from accepting being smuggled in if exiled, and prevents night time and private confessions/replies.
You win if you are unmarried at the end of the game.

Popular:
You cannot be voted.
You are revaled as being popular at the beginning of the game.
Your vote counts for double.


Wincons:

Role:
You win if you marry a player with a specific role or role modifer to win.

Player:
You win if you parry a specific player.

Marriage:
You win if you marry any player.

Harem:
You win if you marry a certain number of players.

Death:
You win if you die.

Survive:
You win if you are alive at the end of the game.

Hate:
You win if certain players lose.

Spite:
You win if certain players are dead.

[Tomasque]

Hey! That's pretty cool!

 Seriously, that's a nice setup! Are you posting it here for suggestions, or just so that we can marvel at its amazingness?

[webadict]

Agreed. It's a cool format. There's a few issues, but overall, not bad.

[doll]

Posting it for suggestions and checking.
That said it's fairly fresh and hasn't been formalized in a lot of ways (I've given literally no rules about voting, even though it's basically a pure bastard and therefore not assuming any rules from mafia).
I'm intending to run it as open rules closed setup, paranormal style, once I'm confident suspect I have a particular setup which won't play too badly.
Once I've had time to update the rules and triplecheck my 9 player plan I'll be looking for someone to discuss the particular setup I intend to run with and see if they can see a reason why it shouldn't go down okay.

[Tomasque]

 An idea I had: Perhaps in addition to what the normally have, a Popular player would automatically make whoever married them win? It would add an aspect of intrigue as people try to convince the Popular player to marry them, while simultaneously trying to throw other suitors under the bus.

[doll]

An idea I had: Perhaps in addition to what the normally have, a Popular player would automatically make whoever married them win? It would add an aspect of intrigue as people try to convince the Popular player to marry them, while simultaneously trying to throw other suitors under the bus.

That was in my original idea for Popular players, actually; at that time, each role had a limited list of possible wincons rather than 'virtually anything' like they do now. When wincons got changed I didn't need that rule anymore.
If you wanted to recreate that mechanic, you can do it by just adding an OR marry a Popular player to everyone's wincons, and that doesn't eliminate the possibility of having players who do not want to marry the popular player.

Edit:
The other reason I removed it was because of one of the thins that it does do, which is tell everyone that they can marry that player to win. It makes popular a very clunky mechanic because the popular player can essentially choose whichever claim they think will make them win, and is generally encouraged to slow the game down and fish out roles with nosy/jealous inspects, etc. while having no pressure on themselves.

[Tomasque]

An idea I had: Perhaps in addition to what the normally have, a Popular player would automatically make whoever married them win? It would add an aspect of intrigue as people try to convince the Popular player to marry them, while simultaneously trying to throw other suitors under the bus.

That was in my original idea for Popular players, actually; at that time, each role had a limited list of possible wincons rather than 'virtually anything' like they do now. When wincons got changed I didn't need that rule anymore.
If you wanted to recreate that mechanic, you can do it by just adding an OR marry a Popular player to everyone's wincons, and that doesn't eliminate the possibility of having players who do not want to marry the popular player.

Edit:
The other reason I removed it was because of one of the thins that it does do, which is tell everyone that they can marry that player to win. It makes popular a very clunky mechanic because the popular player can essentially choose whichever claim they think will make them win, and is generally encouraged to slow the game down and fish out roles with nosy/jealous inspects, etc. while having no pressure on themselves.

What if: no one knows that marrying the popular player makes them win, and it could only be discovered if someone did the investigation on them. The element of desperately trying to get them to marry/stay with them while killing potential suitors would still exist, but it wouldn't cause a game-wide clusterfuck, since only the few players who investigated the popular player would know (and they wouldn't be telling anybody).

[doll]

Investigative players are likely to figure it out if every single player they investigate has 'Marry X to win' anyhow.

I'm going to be making a thread for this (just planning etc.) in a bit because it's getting annoying to manage the text documents and I want to see that the formatting does actually work without needing to PM myself 40 times.

[doll]

Since it came up:

What format would people favor for the next BM?
The discussion prior was about replacing the mafia rolecop with a 50/50 tracker/watcher.

Watcher in particular I think would be a drastic improvement against the mafia rolecop (though I am against the mafia rolecop in it's general form), though I can see why you would want a watcher/tracker (broader exposure).