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[Urist McTeellox]

Its actually unintentional. It was 3 to 1 in previous DF versions, so MATERIAL_SIZE:6 meant 2 bars, and 9 was 3 bars. 15 was 5 bars for the two-handed weapons. Apparently Toady One changed that in some update, and no one mentioned to me that the items are a bit pricy. ^^

Oh dear. I wonder if that change is a bug or a feature, and if it's consistent with melting/recycling operations? If it takes nine bars to make an item (new MATERIAL_SIZE:9 behaviour), but it only returns three bars on recycling (old MATERIAL_SIZE:9 behaviour) then that significantly reduces what can be reclaimed by melting. (Even if that's a bug, it's one I actually like, because I think recycling invaders' materials already provide plenty of mithril and steel as it is.)

I'm assuming this affects armour as well?

I am a bit undecided if I should keep it that expensive, or if I should divide all sizes by 3.

I'd divide them all by three. I imagine many of the custom workshop reactions (at least the tribal gearcrafter in orcs) assume materials using the old values, and 15 bars feels like a lot to craft a single item.

I'm totally happy to write a script to do this (leaving sizes below 3 either untouched, or setting them to 1), and to run it over either all the item files, or just the weapons and armour ones.  I'm also happy to do that after the warlocks release.

~ T

[Meph]

Armor as well. Its also on hardcoded items, like statue. When I started playing, statues cost 1 bar.  Not its 9. 

Melting always gives 1 bar, regardless of the items material size. (I hope that didnt change^^)

[Shadow9657]

I updated the caravanerserai page, I hope the changes I made were ok. Thanks for the awesome rebalance.

[Meph]

Suggestions: No drowspiders as wagon pullers for orcs.

[shadowclasper]

Suggestions: No drowspiders as wagon pullers for orcs.

why not give them one of the arctic biom creatures? Bears if you want it to be raiderish, or muskox or something else. The entire lore is they're from the Tagia, so they should have arctic creatures as pets right? Frost Wolves, Snow Bison, Polar Bears, Penguins instead of chickens.

[CptCrunchy]

Quick question: are runes on oricalchum weapons and armor actually better than on other material weapons, or is the announcement thing lying?

[Meph]

I saw something odd just now:

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[REACTION:MINERAL_OIL_COKE_ORC]
[NAME:Distill oil from coke (4)]
[BUILDING:ORC_BLACKSMOKE:CUSTOM_C][BUILDING:MAGMA_ORC_BLACKSMOKE:CUSTOM_C]
[REAGENT:coke:150:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:COAL:COKE]
[REAGENT:B:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
[EMPTY][FOOD_STORAGE_CONTAINER][PRESERVE_REAGENT][DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:LIQUID_MISC:NONE:PLANT_MAT:OIL_MINERAL:OIL][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
[PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:B]
[FUEL]
[SKILL:LYE_MAKING]
It says 'coke (4)', but it calls for 1 bar of coke. Not sure which version is correct... 4 bars = 1 oil, or 1 bar = 1 oil. One way or another, the reaction has to be changed slightly.

[CptCrunchy]

Orc mode is seeming a bit too easy at the moment, I'm in year 4 now with three casualties, two of whom were merchants burned to death when hill orcs brought barrels of fire to the depot.  I have kept the entrance to my fort wide open, am not using traps aside from one cage trap to add elves to my gladiator pit, and I'm avoiding using any sort of exploit.  Is there a way to increase the frequency of invaders?  Constantly raiding just makes my orcs even more overpowered with the loot, and the 20-man sieges aren't really a threat.

[Meph]

Orcs are quite good fighters, and they have no weak points.

Dwarves have the cult, hidden threats (bloodbeasts, necromancers, werebeasts, spies), diseases, the red-marker easter egg, fire-starting reactions... Orcs do not have anything like this.

Increase frequency of invaders: The thing is that the good races only have one active season. They can only siege max once a year, or send an ambush once a year. Goblins and Orcs (which trade soooo often with you when you play orcs) have multiple active seasons, and therefore attack more often.

Frequency could be raised by linking syndrometrigger to force-siege, and make every orc start a siege ~1% once per year. This way you get 1 extra siege a year if you have 100 orcs, and ~2 extra sieges a year if you have 200 orcs.

It would naturally decrease and increase with the amount of orcs running around your camp.

Edit: Found a little typo: In your SCALP_TROGLODYTE it says "troglodyte:orcs:orc".

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[CREATURE:SCALP_TROGLODYTE]
    [NAME:troglodyte:orcs:orc]
    [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:MUSCLE:SCALP_TEMPLATE]
    [SELECT_MATERIAL:ALL][ARENA_RESTRICTED][DOES_NOT_EXIST]
    [REACTION_CLASS:TROGLODYTE]
EDIT: Would it be ok it if I add a " skin" to the names? I know that a scalp already implies that the material is skin, (human scalp is obviously the skin from the head of a human), but as soon as you use the materials for other objects its not clear. "A human-bound book" or a "human journal" sound very... normal. As if a human made these things, or if they belong to a human.

"A human skin-bound book" or a "human skin journal" sound a lot nicer.

I also added scalps to the FD races. One generic "skin scalp" type. Is that any problem for orcs? It was requested in the Warlock thread, to be able to use those sapient invaders for it as well.

[EXTRA_BUTCHER_OBJECT:BY_TYPE:THOUGHT][EBO_ITEM:MEAT:NONE:CREATURE_MAT:SCALP_FD:MUSCLE]

[CREATURE:SCALP_FD]
    [NAME:skin:skin:skin]
    [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:MUSCLE:SCALP_TEMPLATE]
    [SELECT_MATERIAL:ALL][ARENA_RESTRICTED][DOES_NOT_EXIST]
    [REACTION_CLASS:FD]