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[PanH]

Why are handlocks always the saltiest?

It's a thing with people who main control. My friend play mostly druid control, mage tempo, etc, and he gets pissed off every time there's a aggro against him, and say they're unskilled.
I mean, sure, facehunter is more straightforward than most decks, but I still dont understand all that rage.

[frostshotgg]

Handlock has the second longest games on average, behind Wallet Warrior. The difference is that you play the latter with the expectation of fatiguing every game. Handlock games can take forever because it just takes them forever to actually end the game.

[Criptfeind]

I got a bit fatigued out of talking about every card that was shown (also when magic came out I stopped playing hearthstone lol).

But dat mulch yo. Finally good druid removal. There goes... Probably their biggest weakness. Lord, at this rate they might actually get a good aoe next expansion. How terrifying.

[Nirur Torir]

The newest tavern brawl shows off the new mechanics, with a pre-built inspire mage vs joust ranger.

The brawl seems like a flop, as the decks feel too weak. The mage gets some interesting combos (cheaper/more frequent hero powers, and inspire to gain a 3/5 or a random spell), but they take multiple turns to set-up. The ranger gets a bunch of control, mostly from cards we already had. The deck's joust cards aren't powerful enough, and with this deck, not reliable enough, to leave me wanting more.

[Dutchling]

I think you mean Hunter.

Speaking of Joust cards, I'm very excited about this one:

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In the right deck this essentially a tutor. And Hunter has a lot of creatures that are technically spells (Animal Companian, Bear Trap, etc), so it can easily have a deck that will almost always win the joust.

[Neonivek]

I am starting to find the attack and defense of the cards in this game to be absolutely random. There just seems to be flat out no heads or tales.

[frostshotgg]

Generally, the formula for an ideal is attack + health = manacost x2 +1. There are some outliers, generally with downsides or high manacosts where you're playing them for the text.

[Neonivek]

Generally, the formula for an ideal is attack + health = manacost x2 +1. There are some outliers, generally with downsides or high manacosts where you're playing them for the text.

I mean linking the summon to its power

Weak pathetic monster = 4/4

[Orange Wizard]

There just seems to be flat out no heads or tales.

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean

Weak pathetic monster = 4/4

Nothing wrong with a 4/4. The important thing there is cost - a 4/4 for 4 is shit, but give it Charge and suddenly it's a good card.

[Teneb]

There just seems to be flat out no heads or tales.

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean

Weak pathetic monster = 4/4

Nothing wrong with a 4/4. The important thing there is cost - a 4/4 for 4 is shit, but give it Charge and suddenly it's a good card.

A 4/4 is great against priests because suddenly their removal is useless. Further, I doubt a shaman or mage would be willing to use hex/polymorph to get rid of it. Of course, there are better options than a 4/4 for 4. The yeti is a 4/5 for 4, if you want an example.

[sambojin]

Yet a 3/2 or even 1/3 is perfectly acceptable, in many decks. But 8/8 can be a liability, or be awesome, depending.

It's not really random, it just depends on lots of things.

You'd need a more finely graded mana system to really balance them all. If you got 10 mana per crystal, and things could cost 35 or 26 mana, then there'd be a lot more interesting choices to be made. But having those both cost 3 makes some choices pretty obvious in terms of power, regardless of deck/character being played, with no fine tuning available for balancing things later.

[frostshotgg]

I mean linking the summon to its power

Weak pathetic monster = 4/4

There's a reason mana cost was a part of that formula. a 2 mana 4/4 is fantastic, which is why Millhouse Manastorm has a game losing downside. A 5 mana 4/4 is unplayable without an huge upside, like charge or +2 health and taunt.

Also, 4 health is bad. Shredder kills it. If it has 4 health, costs 4 or more, and doesn't do something impactful when you slam it it's unplayable. The end.

[Leafsnail]

I think Neonivek is talking about the size of minions flavourwise.  As a random example Gadgetzan Auctioneer is Just Some Dude but he can beat a bunch of trained warriors and beasts in a fight.

Really the stats in games like this will never make sense if you think about them.  "Here is the most powerful of all dragons, Deathwing.  He is as strong as 12 chickens."

[Neonivek]

I mean magic the gathering which I'll use as an example is quite simple...

An Ordinary person is a 0/1, a soldier is a 1/1, a large animal is a 2/2, and a huge animal is a 3/3

Power and defense are somewhat related.

[Leafsnail]

"Here is an eldritch horror, the most powerful being in the multiverse.  It is as strong as 15 squirrels"