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[Andres]

Maybe we should hold the trial here at the castle. We'll sit them both down and have them explain the stories.

We'll do what we can to make sure barrick isn't killed or jailed but have to pay a fine. One which we can help him front as we have business for that.

That might work but we ought to know first what withdrawing the duel would mean for the knight's reputation. If it would suffer it's unlikely he'll withdraw and wait for a trial. On top of that we know the justice system of neither Analysse (which we should know IC) or Koringberg (which we might know IC.) A fine does not seem appropriate given the accused crime (murder). If we are going to put Barrick through a trial, making him take one in Analysse is rather possible but there is a chance that someone might say the trial should take place in Koringberg, and who know what'll happen then.

Also getting a partnership in a medical herbs store sounds like a good idea. If only small and temporary.

If we're already parterned with Ishavakala then we may already have a medical herb partner.

We could, however, challenge him to a Magic Duel and see if dad would lend us Sir Kaelack, the Mage Tourneyment winner, as a Champion.

However, I agree with just calling out his cowardice and stupidity from behind the safety of our guardsmen.

This could worsen relations between our countries, which would undermine the marriage and put penrod in a bad position. He's probably not to popular atm and has attached another Prince for trying to start a war. We cannot make him look weak.

An excellent point. But if it's legally possible to get Kaelack to magic duel him then it'll also be possible to get any of our father's vassals to fight for us. We could ask Erik if we really want him to die (we don't. Pre-emptive -1 to my own suggestion) or, very favourably, we could get Knigh-Commander Gerald to fight (+1). It would be a much cleaner duel if it was Knight vs Knight as opposed to Knight vs All-Powerful Warmage of Death and Destruction.
If only the father himself may fight in our stead then +1 to calling him out since we would have few other options (we could ask Sir Bepher (sail knight) or Serles (Royal Protector) but I don't think either will do well).

[3man75]

Ishavakala or w.e his name is, deals in magical equipment for novice mages such as ourselves. Which is why we originally bought into his business. Is herbs are a small part of a greater thing. Think a clothing retailer deciding to sell flatscreen tv's as part of there store. Side stuff.

A real herb store (a good one) sells more dynamic herbs in medical practice. Plus we could use a few for our splitting headache.

[Andres]

Ishavakala or w.e his name is, deals in magical equipment for novice mages such as ourselves. Which is why we originally bought into his business. Is herbs are a small part of a greater thing. Think a clothing retailer deciding to sell flatscreen tv's as part of there store. Side stuff.

A real herb store (a good one) sells more dynamic herbs in medical practice. Plus we could use a few for our splitting headache.

Fair enough. +1. We shouldn't partner with someone who's too close to Ishvakala though. It might come off as a bit dickish if we suddenly started supporting his competition.

Mlamlah, what's the legal, religious, political, and magical status of hallucinogenic herbs and substances? Do they even exist? If we start distributing some to some of the youths we visit (think sons of counts, dukes, etc.) we could increase their loyalty (and dependency) to us. We could also make some of our more adult opponents appear insane or incapable (we should be careful with this. If we do this to too many people they may suspect that someone is poisoning them.)

[3man75]

Ishavakala or w.e his name is, deals in magical equipment for novice mages such as ourselves. Which is why we originally bought into his business. Is herbs are a small part of a greater thing. Think a clothing retailer deciding to sell flatscreen tv's as part of there store. Side stuff.

A real herb store (a good one) sells more dynamic herbs in medical practice. Plus we could use a few for our splitting headache.

Fair enough. +1. We shouldn't partner with someone who's too close to Ishvakala though. It might come off as a bit dickish if we suddenly started supporting his competition.

Mlamlah, what's the legal, religious, political, and magical status of hallucinogenic herbs and substances? Do they even exist? If we start distributing some to some of the youths we visit (think sons of counts, dukes, etc.) we could increase their loyalty (and dependency) to us.

-1

We are a noble Prince not a medieval drug dealer warping minds with magical roots. I'm sure people are getting high but what's the point of our allies are on there couches smoking herbs all day to Carr about anything else?

We can win them over with words and achievement to demonstrate our worthiness to the throne. Facta non verba.

[Andres]

Ishavakala or w.e his name is, deals in magical equipment for novice mages such as ourselves. Which is why we originally bought into his business. Is herbs are a small part of a greater thing. Think a clothing retailer deciding to sell flatscreen tv's as part of there store. Side stuff.

A real herb store (a good one) sells more dynamic herbs in medical practice. Plus we could use a few for our splitting headache.

Fair enough. +1. We shouldn't partner with someone who's too close to Ishvakala though. It might come off as a bit dickish if we suddenly started supporting his competition.

Mlamlah, what's the legal, religious, political, and magical status of hallucinogenic herbs and substances? Do they even exist? If we start distributing some to some of the youths we visit (think sons of counts, dukes, etc.) we could increase their loyalty (and dependency) to us.

We are a noble Prince not a medieval drug dealer warping minds with magical roots. I'm sure people are getting high but what's the point of our allies enemies are on there couches smoking herbs all day to Carr about anything else?

And now you see the magic of my plan. We even have the hired thugs necessary to pull it off.

[3man75]

If there are our enemies why would they take our herbs lol? Bit far fetched eh?

Also can maybe buy a dream catcher or something too help stop those night terrors? Maybe the mage shop or his friends have something?

[Andres]

If there are our enemies why would they take our herbs lol? Bit far fetched eh?

Couldn't be as far fetched as starting a guild of mediocre metalworkers in an attempt to corner the market that's currently being flooded by far superior products from a country we're allied with in an attempt to..... um, I forget. Was it to make money or something? Really it seems lose-lose to me. We either fail and lose so much cash or we succeed and piss off the Koringbergians. This'll make it either more difficult or more expensive (probably both) to supply our armies and mercenaries with quality metalwork if we even get partial success. So really it's lose-lose-lose. Lose from failing, lose from succeeding, lose from even trying.

At least with my idea we won't have any competitors and if we're not selling domestically we could probably send it to those Bandit Baronies or Wildlings or what-not. It'll soften them up and they're so isolated and decentralised it's unlikely our own peeps would get hooked as well. And if we can't straight-up sell them the stuff we just offer them some the next time they try to ransom a prisoner to us, or something. Seriously, there are just so many options we can take if we go this route.

We could probably even straight-up weaponise the stuff. Light up some of the herbs, get a circle of mages, to blow the wind in the right direction and bingo presto we just decreased the fighting capability of a few thousand soldiers. We can also use it on the coven of Keshlian mage rebels for even greater effect. If they can't focus when they're casting their spells they're useless.

[Mlamlah]

An important note: legal protocol of duels insists that whatever form the duel takes it occurs on equal terms. Magical duels between mages of the same magical discipline occur, but warmages do not duel magicless Knights. This rule is used as a catch all for a variety of different types of duels, Knights tend to duel in full combat regalia, but some noble gentlemen duel in no armor and with light swords. Also in style in the East of Analysse and in Adalbert are Jousting duels, where the point is not to strike lance  against shield, but rather to kill or injure your opponent.

In both Analysse and Adalbert lowborn murderers are judged very harshly, especially if the victim is highborn. In Analysse however, Wardens and Ebonmar mages  are both deeply tied with the judicial system, and use magic to help ascertain the truth of high profile cases. In Adalbert the justice system is more deeply entwined with the preferences of the local lord of a region.

[Andres]

Just thought of something. If we're going to use one of the king's vassals to duel this knight it must absolutely NOT be the Knight-Commander or any other high-ranking Knight of the Crown. If that Knight were to die then that would open up the position which may allow the concubine to get her son into that newly-vacant position and we don't want him to gain any more power until we have further solidified our own right to rule and have secured a proper alliance with Erik.

Is it possible to get a page of about 8 years old to fight on our behalf? This is a mostly hypothetical scenario but it would really make this trouble knight look like a terrible person if he were to fight a child so young (we would suffer a hit to our reputation ourself but at least everyone we care about will live). This is, again, mostly hypothetical and realistically we should never allow this to happen.

Call out his cowardice to gain rhetoric/diplomatic leverage. If it works, schedule a trial for after the trip to Koringberg, when we're back in Analysse. One or the other might die on the way there and back which would render the point moot and it also gives us time to deal with it in an alternative fashion (peaceful or otherwise). If it doesn't work leave it to the king.

Edit: LEAVE THE KING OUT OF IT. We're told in previous occasions the challenges may have been interpreted as an attack on the parent but in this case it is very clearly an attack on us (or at least our vassal). Even if we do get the king on this it'll just make us look weak in front of everyone except Penrod and Ritalia. Get Captain Verack of the Silver Moon Company to duel him if he doesn't back off. He isn't tired from the duel (Barrick), he's not technically a sworn vassal(Sir Bepher) so if he loses we won't look bad losing our first vassal, he's not some guy who got lucky with a sword (Serles), and he has a bitching claymore. If Verack wins, it makes our merc company look good. If he loses, the matter is still settled. Win-win.

[Weirdsound]

Just thought of something. If we're going to use one of the king's vassals to duel this knight it must absolutely NOT be the Knight-Commander or any other high-ranking Knight of the Crown. If that Knight were to die then that would open up the position which may allow the concubine to get her son into that newly-vacant position and we don't want him to gain any more power until we have further solidified our own right to rule and have secured a proper alliance with Erik.

If we can't avoid it, why not ask Erik? If we win, it shows us united as brothers. If not, well thats some of the competition eliminated. But I still say just cut this fool down with rhetoric. Either he backs down, or is provoked into giving us an excuse to kill him. The audience is small enough that the truth of the matter can be covered up if need be. Don't give him the trial. If we can't kill him on the spot, he needs to be dealt with before we leave town. I don't want to have that hot mess looming over our shoulder while we travel - we have enough to deal with.

[3man75]

Just thought of something. If we're going to use one of the king's vassals to duel this knight it must absolutely NOT be the Knight-Commander or any other high-ranking Knight of the Crown. If that Knight were to die then that would open up the position which may allow the concubine to get her son into that newly-vacant position and we don't want him to gain any more power until we have further solidified our own right to rule and have secured a proper alliance with Erik.

If we can't avoid it, why not ask Erik? If we win, it shows us united as brothers. If not, well thats some of the competition eliminated. But I still say just cut this fool down with rhetoric. Either he backs down, or is provoked into giving us an excuse to kill him. The audience is small enough that the truth of the matter can be covered up if need be. Don't give him the trial. If we can't kill him on the spot, he needs to be dealt with before we leave town. I don't want to have that hot mess looming over our shoulder while we travel - we have enough to deal with.

I would agree to but he's not our parent plus it could balloon his popularity at court as a proven fighter, something our father is and people take note/respect very much. His mother will have more to work with propaganda wise so -1.

Maybe we can do what Andres said about gaining leverage and making a trial with our magic people. Also we should ask barrick if he could take Sir Walter on a duel to the death/pain. By pain i mean one of them two gives up the claim on the others charge OR forfeit there life.

If we do lose Barrcik than we should pressure Sir Walter to have his brother/family member become our new bodyguard, he would owe us for our understanding despite his very obvious TRANSGRESSIONS against our honor as a prince.

Also kudos to the GM, what a difficult roleplay here. Honestly never felt this tense during a forum game ever.


Edit: Idea! Let's challenge him to a duel for what he did to serles. On where neither of us have armor and only practice wooden weapons. First to get 3 solid hits in wins. We'll have one if the knight's attendants be the judge so that penrod is safe from looking bias. We'll tell him only after our duel will we speak about barrick.

Make a point that this isn't about barrick and more our honor and that we won't stand it being transgressed so nonchalantly like thus knight has done.

We may lose barrick but at least we won't look like a coward. Bad at fencing/swords maybe but not a coward.

Oh an when doing so STEP UP AND SAY IT IN FRONT OF HIM. SHIW WE ARE NOT AFRAID. RESPECTFUL BUT NOT AFRAID.

We need to avoid this alliance being undermined with this incident.

[Weirdsound]

Better Idea: Just speak to Penrod as if the challenger wasn't even there. Be cool, detached, and ready to flee to safety behind the guards should he make a move.

"I am still young brother, so tell me, does loss and anger make everybody this foolish? A person my age can turn down a challenge from somebody of his, and suffer at worst a minor blow to his reputation. If this gets out, he will be the one looking like a coward for picking on a child. More foolish still, I am the son of a King, at his father's court; Even if he could bait me into accepting, I would come up with some Champion he couldn't even dream of besting. At least tell me he is kin, or that you are indebted to him, or that his service to you is worth more than the friendship of this kingdom. Otherwise he would be a complete fool for doing this in front of his liege who just married into the family of the man he is challenging."

[Andres]

Just thought of something. If we're going to use one of the king's vassals to duel this knight it must absolutely NOT be the Knight-Commander or any other high-ranking Knight of the Crown. If that Knight were to die then that would open up the position which may allow the concubine to get her son into that newly-vacant position and we don't want him to gain any more power until we have further solidified our own right to rule and have secured a proper alliance with Erik.

If we can't avoid it, why not ask Erik? If we win, it shows us united as brothers. If not, well thats some of the competition eliminated. But I still say just cut this fool down with rhetoric. Either he backs down, or is provoked into giving us an excuse to kill him. The audience is small enough that the truth of the matter can be covered up if need be. Don't give him the trial. If we can't kill him on the spot, he needs to be dealt with before we leave town. I don't want to have that hot mess looming over our shoulder while we travel - we have enough to deal with.

I would agree to but he's not our parent plus it could balloon his popularity at court as a proven fighter, something our father is and people take note/respect very much. His mother will have more to work with propaganda wise so -1.

Not to mention the whole "brotherly love angle" can only be played if Erik offers to fight in our name. Otherwise it would look like we're trying to send him to his death.

If we do lose Barrcik than we should pressure Sir Walter to have his brother/family member become our new bodyguard, he would owe us for our understanding despite his very obvious TRANSGRESSIONS against our honor as a prince.

Walking quickly towards you, in full armor, is an Adalbertian Knight. Walter, Adrickar and Serles all intercept him, and he raises his hands to indicate he is unarmed.

SIR WALTER is one of the guys that tried STOPPING the UNNAMED ADALBERTIAN KNIGHT from approaching.

Get his name.

Try to avoid having anyone die right in front of our dearly beloved sister.

Challenge HIM to a duel for his disrespect of the man who saved your life if he doesn't back down from our talking

Serles angrily asserts that you are having a private discussion, and do not wish to be disturbed. With a snort of derision, the heavily armored Adalbertian Man roughly shoves the dandy into the dirt before continuing past him.

Rather than a 3-point system with wooden weapons however, make it with real weapons and first to draw blood. Killing or maiming is illegal of course. We may be a bit sore but if we play as hard as we can with our Youthful Agility we should be able to dodge his blows.
Make sure that the place we duel at is a private place. There doesn't appear to be any reason otherwise, unless we plan on winning a duel to the death ourselves (hint: we don't). A public death duel would probably also kill the general feel-goodness of a wedding celebration, if the assassination attempt hadn't already.

As a general course of action we really shouldn't try to get our half-brother Erik killed. We really need to stop being so cold towards family members, I mean sheesh.

[3man75]

Accidents do happen but okay as long as we're armored I'm all for challenging him head on for his disrespect. We'll tell him we promise to talk about Patrick AFTER the duel. Only then, plus  this gives us time as players to think.

Make it noted that "no matter how small, young, big, or old San must defend his honor."

Play a under dog toon to rally support.

[Andres]

Who's Patrick? Who's Walter? There are so many names flying around it's hard to keep track. The only thing I know for sure right now is that this impudent Adalbertian Knight is NOT called Walter.

Make it noted that "no matter how small, young, big, or old San must defend his honor."

+1. Say this if someone tries discouraging us or something. It'll make us look like a total badass.

Play a under dog toon to rally support.

-1. Even with our Youthful Agility we're likely gonna lose. Best to keep it low-key and quiet.

EDIT: Did some checking and it turns out Sir Walter is one of the bodyguards assigned to us after with got a knife stuck in our back and I think you were talking about Barick when you mentioned 'Patrick'.