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[Andres]

You called it Kelsha and than called it Keshla on the third posty thingy....EXPLAIN YOURSELF CAT LOVER!!

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"Kesh-la-Currently in a 3-way civil war."
You spelt it wrong in the post and in the map, but in different ways. I was just pointing it out.

EDIT: Just to be perfectly clear, the correct spelling is Kelsha.

[3man75]

That's suppose to be "Keshla - ". It was to state name and than a short discription.

EDIT: I will try to remember Kelsha, to be the name of the map. Whenever it is i get around to it. Unless someone else makes it first.

[Andres]

That's suppose to be "Keshla - ". It was to state name and than a short discription.

I'm aware. I just added the extra hyphen and bolding to point out where the error was.

[3man75]

That's suppose to be "Keshla - ". It was to state name and than a short discription.

I'm aware. I just added the extra hyphen and bolding to point out where the error was.

My mistake sorry.

[Mlamlah]

Question: How much have you completed and what's left? But no biggie, i guess if life and an info dump are in the way than it's in the way. Also...would you be averse to me making my own story similar to this? It's just that when you look at it, no book have i encountered has had a medieval setting where it focuses on the prince in such a gritty setting. In fact the only gritty setting in medieval fantasy is Game of thrones but that book/series jumps from person to person at the drop of the hat. Even if you find yourself liking someone the author offs them. Which is not a spoiler it's almost his M.O right now.

Finished detailing the military strength and trade resources of just over two thirds of the country, though there is sufficient detail given to less than half of the Kingdom's Counts. I'm not really willing to half ass it in that regard, so there is also going to be some background work done that won't be part of any kind of info dump. The Kingdom's major Noble Houses are quite a bit of work though, as i've been trying to detail their relationship with noble families present and past, and their ethnic backgrounds. I havn't gotten too into it but Analysse is kind of a melting pot of cultures, most of them having been conquered by the Aikeen, which was a family of foreign mages to begin with. Some of those major houses might be able to trace their ancestry back to the first petty kings of the city-states of old, but others may have been minor houses granted land after the Aikeen conquered them, or even after the Casar dynasty slaughtered the old dynasty and replaced opponents or even failed rebels with more loyal lords.

Also! I would encourage you to go ahead with any project you have in mind! I myself decided to craft Prince based on inspiration from a couple of the writers here on Bay12.

[3man75]

Question: How much have you completed and what's left? But no biggie, i guess if life and an info dump are in the way than it's in the way. Also...would you be averse to me making my own story similar to this? It's just that when you look at it, no book have i encountered has had a medieval setting where it focuses on the prince in such a gritty setting. In fact the only gritty setting in medieval fantasy is Game of thrones but that book/series jumps from person to person at the drop of the hat. Even if you find yourself liking someone the author offs them. Which is not a spoiler it's almost his M.O right now.

Finished detailing the military strength and trade resources of just over two thirds of the country, though there is sufficient detail given to less than half of the Kingdom's Counts. I'm not really willing to half ass it in that regard, so there is also going to be some background work done that won't be part of any kind of info dump. The Kingdom's major Noble Houses are quite a bit of work though, as i've been trying to detail their relationship with noble families present and past, and their ethnic backgrounds. I havn't gotten too into it but Analysse is kind of a melting pot of cultures, most of them having been conquered by the Aikeen, which was a family of foreign mages to begin with. Some of those major houses might be able to trace their ancestry back to the first petty kings of the city-states of old, but others may have been minor houses granted land after the Aikeen conquered them, or even after the Casar dynasty slaughtered the old dynasty and replaced opponents or even failed rebels with more loyal lords.

Also! I would encourage you to go ahead with any project you have in mind! I myself decided to craft Prince based on inspiration from a couple of the writers here on Bay12.

Okay...an omg uniting this place is going to get a whole lot more complicated. Also would an update be incoming? I know i keep asking but i hate waiting  .

Also in CK2 whenever i had rebellious vassals i just let them revolt and beat them quickly. Than i took away  there titles for that. It may be what WE have to do though. Not that i want it but really. West Annalyse loves us and that's good but the rest we don't have a whole lot in the way of them saying "nope, fuck you". It may turn into what Kelsha is going though. I'd also caution against appeasing them with trivial things simply because that's just not our style and it never worked before. Also everyone do remember "a house divided cannot stand" quote from President Lincoln. We are going to have to gather quite alot of info on these areas. We'll need to know what they produce and what they import. Than find out what they want the MOST of and try to give it to them by spoon. That is to say, if they want "X" we give it to them so long as they give us allegiance. Carrot and stickish but it's my only idea other than just beating them with a mace and replacing the skulls.

[Weirdsound]

Question: How much have you completed and what's left? But no biggie, i guess if life and an info dump are in the way than it's in the way. Also...would you be averse to me making my own story similar to this? It's just that when you look at it, no book have i encountered has had a medieval setting where it focuses on the prince in such a gritty setting. In fact the only gritty setting in medieval fantasy is Game of thrones but that book/series jumps from person to person at the drop of the hat. Even if you find yourself liking someone the author offs them. Which is not a spoiler it's almost his M.O right now.

Finished detailing the military strength and trade resources of just over two thirds of the country, though there is sufficient detail given to less than half of the Kingdom's Counts. I'm not really willing to half ass it in that regard, so there is also going to be some background work done that won't be part of any kind of info dump. The Kingdom's major Noble Houses are quite a bit of work though, as i've been trying to detail their relationship with noble families present and past, and their ethnic backgrounds. I havn't gotten too into it but Analysse is kind of a melting pot of cultures, most of them having been conquered by the Aikeen, which was a family of foreign mages to begin with. Some of those major houses might be able to trace their ancestry back to the first petty kings of the city-states of old, but others may have been minor houses granted land after the Aikeen conquered them, or even after the Casar dynasty slaughtered the old dynasty and replaced opponents or even failed rebels with more loyal lords.

Also! I would encourage you to go ahead with any project you have in mind! I myself decided to craft Prince based on inspiration from a couple of the writers here on Bay12.

You might want to hold off on dropping that info dump until after we are on the road, otherwise we will spend eons discussing travel plans and slow things down... Perhaps just send us off with enough provisions to go wherever we wish after visiting Penrod. Or, I'm sure our sister and brother-in-law would be willing to supply us.

[Mlamlah]

Question: How much have you completed and what's left? But no biggie, i guess if life and an info dump are in the way than it's in the way. Also...would you be averse to me making my own story similar to this? It's just that when you look at it, no book have i encountered has had a medieval setting where it focuses on the prince in such a gritty setting. In fact the only gritty setting in medieval fantasy is Game of thrones but that book/series jumps from person to person at the drop of the hat. Even if you find yourself liking someone the author offs them. Which is not a spoiler it's almost his M.O right now.

Finished detailing the military strength and trade resources of just over two thirds of the country, though there is sufficient detail given to less than half of the Kingdom's Counts. I'm not really willing to half ass it in that regard, so there is also going to be some background work done that won't be part of any kind of info dump. The Kingdom's major Noble Houses are quite a bit of work though, as i've been trying to detail their relationship with noble families present and past, and their ethnic backgrounds. I havn't gotten too into it but Analysse is kind of a melting pot of cultures, most of them having been conquered by the Aikeen, which was a family of foreign mages to begin with. Some of those major houses might be able to trace their ancestry back to the first petty kings of the city-states of old, but others may have been minor houses granted land after the Aikeen conquered them, or even after the Casar dynasty slaughtered the old dynasty and replaced opponents or even failed rebels with more loyal lords.

Also! I would encourage you to go ahead with any project you have in mind! I myself decided to craft Prince based on inspiration from a couple of the writers here on Bay12.

You might want to hold off on dropping that info dump until after we are on the road, otherwise we will spend eons discussing travel plans and slow things down... Perhaps just send us off with enough provisions to go wherever we wish after visiting Penrod. Or, I'm sure our sister and brother-in-law would be willing to supply us.

Yeah, i planned on updating first and continuing onwards, there's a good chance i'll just put up a bunch of stuff in the O.P

[3man75]

Question: How much have you completed and what's left? But no biggie, i guess if life and an info dump are in the way than it's in the way. Also...would you be averse to me making my own story similar to this? It's just that when you look at it, no book have i encountered has had a medieval setting where it focuses on the prince in such a gritty setting. In fact the only gritty setting in medieval fantasy is Game of thrones but that book/series jumps from person to person at the drop of the hat. Even if you find yourself liking someone the author offs them. Which is not a spoiler it's almost his M.O right now.

Finished detailing the military strength and trade resources of just over two thirds of the country, though there is sufficient detail given to less than half of the Kingdom's Counts. I'm not really willing to half ass it in that regard, so there is also going to be some background work done that won't be part of any kind of info dump. The Kingdom's major Noble Houses are quite a bit of work though, as i've been trying to detail their relationship with noble families present and past, and their ethnic backgrounds. I havn't gotten too into it but Analysse is kind of a melting pot of cultures, most of them having been conquered by the Aikeen, which was a family of foreign mages to begin with. Some of those major houses might be able to trace their ancestry back to the first petty kings of the city-states of old, but others may have been minor houses granted land after the Aikeen conquered them, or even after the Casar dynasty slaughtered the old dynasty and replaced opponents or even failed rebels with more loyal lords.

Also! I would encourage you to go ahead with any project you have in mind! I myself decided to craft Prince based on inspiration from a couple of the writers here on Bay12.

You might want to hold off on dropping that info dump until after we are on the road, otherwise we will spend eons discussing travel plans and slow things down... Perhaps just send us off with enough provisions to go wherever we wish after visiting Penrod. Or, I'm sure our sister and brother-in-law would be willing to supply us.

Yeah, i planned on updating first and continuing onwards, there's a good chance i'll just put up a bunch of stuff in the O.P

Good point.

EDIT: will that update be today by any chance or tomorrow?

[3man75]

Update soon?

EDIT: sorry for the decimal it was suppose to be a question mark.

EDIT EDIT: So since it seems to be taking awhile for mlam to finish updating and/or fninishing the detaling of each country in annalyse i thought we could at the very least go back to the discussion about barrick funneling in towns guard into our mercenary group.

Bluntly i think we should do it. What'll happen is since barrick will be staying back he can recruit said men into a new "mergers group". They'll come and train under him until we get back while getting payed. Once the merc group is back than we can, well, merge them into one group under captain verack.  We'll keep on recruiting until the wages reach a point where we can't continue to expand. Say we have 50 mercs costing us monthly 1000 but were only making 1200, well that's the modest point to stop. The extra 200 needs to be saved up to buy more businesses.

Thoughts? Also does anyone know any good programs fro which to draw on? I want to try and draw prince raynor but i don't have the app for it and i don't really know what he looks like really.

[Andres]

Just noticed the massive edit there. Bay12 doesn't send an email for massive edits unfortunately.

They'll come and train under him until we get back while getting payed.

Paid.

EDIT EDIT: So since it seems to be taking awhile for mlam to finish updating and/or fninishing the detaling of each country in annalyse i thought we could at the very least go back to the discussion about barrick funneling in towns guard into our mercenary group.

Bluntly i think we should do it. What'll happen is since barrick will be staying back he can recruit said men into a new "mergers group". They'll come and train under him until we get back while getting payed. Once the merc group is back than we can, well, merge them into one group under captain verack.  We'll keep on recruiting until the wages reach a point where we can't continue to expand. Say we have 50 mercs costing us monthly 1000 but were only making 1200, well that's the modest point to stop. The extra 200 needs to be saved up to buy more businesses.

Thoughts? Also does anyone know any good programs fro which to draw on? I want to try and draw prince raynor but i don't have the app for it and i don't really know what he looks like really.

I don't think it would be wise to spend over 80% of our budget to fund shady deals to get new recruits for our mercenary company that we rarely ever really use. Let's cap the amount to say... 750 for now.
If we could form a sort of partnership or outright ownership/retainership of the SMMC then it would be worth it. We find them jobs, raise their numbers, pay for weapons, food, wages, etc. and we send them out to complete military contracts for us so that we actually make money off them. Even if we don't, we're technically paying them by the month rather than per assignment we can have them do whatever we want and not have to pay them extra, save for a few specific circumstances - the duel for instance.

Potential assignments we can give the SMMC:

• Bandit Hunting
• Travel Escort
• Supply Delivery
• City Guard - If the local guard has a shortage of manpower the SMMC can fill that hole for a reasonable price.
• Military Training

[3man75]

I don't think nobles would need escorts by our Merc group unless they're coming from VERY far away. Bandit hunting could be good to do around annalysse and in Sir Raymonds land since well, he kinda needs freinds. I think he said something about making a proper militia but i doubt they're very trained. Or armed very well.

Supply delivery would be ideal if we can get a merchant guild (a non-kelshan guild of w.e) that needs a little extra muscle for there runs. Also, i'm not sure about getting them to do city gaurd watch since...they're partly mercenary in nature. Maybe if the Ex-Guards did it? Yay for everything but not going to vote up or down on City guard jobs.

However you bring up a point, if we are going to make contacts than it should be with the city officials/ Stewards. They run this capital as far as daily paper work/ tax work and it could be good getting them to like us. Similarly, in order to win the capital i think we should think about our public image via the church and people. Merchants and nobles like us but that's half of the city. I'd like at least 3/4 or even the whole general population to to like us. Should things go to a civil war, which it might with robilard, we could hold the city using our good image here and not a iron fist. Basically saving that iron fist for the enemies.

Also...dear GOD how did i fuck up that spelling? I am so sorry. ((not being sarcastic i'm being genuine.))

EDIT: Also about spending our budget on the mercs. I agree not that much but the point was to have a "cut off point" so to speak. But i also agree that we should wait until they become our retainers.

EDIT: 2 GM do we still have a squire? I know we got one (possibly from mother but not sure) and it's listed in the War Assets of the spoiler. Or is his duty to us done?

[Andres]

Edited my last post a bit. Noble Escort became Travel Escort. Added Military Training to the list.

I don't think nobles would need escorts by our Merc group unless they're coming from VERY far away.

Well, we don't have to limit ourselves to the nobility. We could provide our services to any travellers for the right price. Nobles, merchants, clergy, really anyone who is looking to buy protection while on the road could hire the SMMC for their services.

We can also perhaps send some of our officers to train the militaries of other nations or factions or lords or whoever. We could probably get some dedicated trainers for that/from that which would in turn allow our own men to be trained better and faster. Also, money.

Supply delivery would be ideal if we can get a merchant guild (a non-kelshan guild of w.e) that needs a little extra muscle for there runs. Also, i'm not sure about getting them to do city gaurd watch since...they're partly mercenary in nature. Maybe if the Ex-Guards did it? Yay for everything but not going to vote up or down on City guard jobs.

When I wrote 'Supply Delivery' I was thinking more along the lines of delivering military supplies to sieges or forts or whatever but that works just as well. As for the guard thing, our mercenaries should be fine with it so long as we pay them more than we pay the guard. Also, I don't think we're actually taking the guards. We'll just be taking the more talented recruits who would be about to join the guard. Or something like that.
Oh! If some of the guards see the SMMC just guarding the town and getting paid more than they are they may decide that they would work for us instead. It creates new holes in the guard, which the SMMC would then fill, and more guards will notice the increased defection, repeating the cycle. This could be a very easy, very subtle way to gain further control of the city. And since the city is paying us for the manpower we'll actually be turning a profit. If the city finds it's unable pay us then they may have to sell some property at a discount. Maybe to us. Maybe to our allies. Maybe they'll just give it to us as recompense. I. REALLY. Like this idea.

[3man75]

1. Um, sure but they can't have to be able to return in one month's time max. Otherwise they're open to being kidnapped and up for ransom.

2. I think it'd be nice if we could help Raymond IF he gives us something in return. Also maybe we should talk to his liege lords to see if we can get them to pay us instead or something. But...kinda hesitant. Maybe we can talk to maleshka (Knight commanders Daughter) about the Crown Knights and how they supply themselves and if they're open to paying us for supplying them.

3. I'd rather win hearts and mind but this could be Plan "B" if that doesn't go over quick enough. Or maybe merge them both? I'd be down to take over as a shadow leader pulling the strings.

4. I think the stewards would get worried and call the King Daddy on us if we tried to get them to pay us with buying out buildings and such. We'd be a mob boss not a prince which could lead to...us being taken out of the line of succession for being a conniving weasel.

[Andres]

1. Um, sure but they can't have to be able to return in one month's time max. Otherwise they're open to being kidnapped and up for ransom.

I don't quite understand what you're saying here. If they're gone from their lands for more than a month they'll be treated as kidnapped?

2. I think it'd be nice if we could help Raymond IF he gives us something in return. Also maybe we should talk to his liege lords to see if we can get them to pay us instead or something. But...kinda hesitant. Maybe we can talk to maleshka (Knight commanders Daughter) about the Crown Knights and how they supply themselves and if they're open to paying us for supplying them.

Aha! You've done it! You know, I've been trying to come up with a way that we can use Raymond but I've always come up with blanks, and the answer was so obvious! We use him as a stepping stone to make contacts with his liege lords! I honestly cannot believe it took me this long to realise that. Thank you. But yeah, the thing with his liege lords paying us and all? I agree.
As for the Crown Knights, we should probably be in the business of protecting the supplies in reaching the Knights, rather than be suppliers ourselves. We don't have the right contacts and assets for that. Possible contacts we'll need are:

• Food producers
• Caravaneers (or ship captains, depending on where Analysse gets its food from)
• Merchants
• Medical... people (um?)
• Smiths
• Stablemasters
• And worst of all, Bureaucrats. Because you can't ship more than 10 sacks of grain at this time of year when crossing the [County A]-[County B] border without filling out these 75 forms and paying a toll of 23 gold pieces.

Of course we could supply the Knights with our own assets but that would require an ENORMOUS amount of capital and months of planning if we want to buy enough farms, mines, smithies, etc. to accomplish this. And we'd still have to deal with bureaucrats.

Just in case it's not clear, I vote nay on this issue.

3. I'd rather win hearts and mind but this could be Plan "B" if that doesn't go over quick enough. Or maybe merge them both? I'd be down to take over as a shadow leader pulling the strings.

We'd probably win their hearts and minds anyway with our plan. We are after all the people who keep the peace and make it safe to walk the streets at night. Besides, how would we get stewards to like us? Copious amounts of bribes? A shout-out during the next tournament for their relentless work to make sure the streets are clean and the trains run on time? What would they do for us anyway?
If by city officials you mean mayors or council members then I agree with you there. A lot easier to get them on our side and swaying city policy to suit our goals would be useful. Zoning laws or foreign metals tolls for our guild for example. Or if we want to be all princely and honourable and all that, we can make sure that said official don't ally themselves with those who would surely abuse the system to further their own sinister goals. We could increase the tax on spices for instance.

4. I think the stewards would get worried and call the King Daddy on us if we tried to get them to pay us with buying out buildings and such. We'd be a mob boss not a prince which could lead to...us being taken out of the line of succession for being a conniving weasel.

See, the thing is, IRL when governments have trouble paying for certain things they might privatise some companies and sell them on the open market. This would basically be the same thing. Nothing illegal and nothing shady. Just business.
Besides, if someone says that using the SMMC to fill in the guard holes is un-princely, we'll just counter by saying that it's a prince's duty to care for his people, that if we ourselves were not doing it then someone less trustworthy and most certainly un-princely would fill the role, and that if we didn't the city would suffer a massive shortage of guards and crime will spike as a result.
A 'conniving weasel' would just grease the guard captains' hands since it's so damn easy and beneficial, and yes that would probably take us out of the succession if we were caught. But using our own troops to prevent the capital - the royal family's own city and the city we grew up in and love and are vested to protect - from descending into a crime-ridden hell-hole? That. Is worthy. Of a prince.