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[smjjames]

I did some testing in the arena and I'm not sure whether the fortress mode combat log lists misses or not, but it seems like the not attacking was just the ettin not landing any hits, even when I upped the skills of the ettin, I couldn't even get any hits in.

Will try with noob unskilled swordsdwarves.

Even a group of six noob unskilled swordsdwarves with clothes and iron armor can beat up an ettin pretty good. Of course though, I have no idea what the skills of the ettin in my fort were.

[Bludulukus]

I've had a minotaur in a pit with goblins and like with you, they did not fight at all.

Which deeply saddened me

[TruePikachu]

I'm gonna poke the raws

TruePikachu pokes The Raws with his first finger, right hand, jamming the skull through the brain and tearing apart the brain!
The Raws has been struck down.

What are the mino and gobbo listed as? Invader?

[wierd]

Goblins and Minotaurs are defined in Creature_Standard.txt

It appears to already have child, male, and female castes.
It does not appear to have the intelligent tag. That's a good thing. Means it won't conflict with dwarven ethics to domesticate.
It needs the Pet_Exotic and Trainable tags.

[smjjames]

I've had a minotaur in a pit with goblins and like with you, they did not fight at all.

Which deeply saddened me

The combat log with skilled swordsdwarves resembled what I saw in the fort, though combat took a bit longer due to base quality swords and when I observed in arena adventure mode (did an emu for no particular reason), the ettin would either miss all the time or get the attack blocked. Not to mention the fact that it was 6 on 1 anyway.

I can't test the part where the ettin gets caged in the arena.

[Larix]

Minotaurs have both CAN_LEARN and CAN_SPEAK, which i think exempts them from butchering and taming.

I have an underground pit with a blind cave ogre in a fort, and that monster shreds most captured animalpeople i care to throw in there, but didn't touch the two plump helmet men. I suspect there are some tags ('subterranean' in this case) which make creatures peaceful towards each other if both have the same or at least 'compatible' tags; the 'invader' origin probably also enforces peaceful behaviour towards each other - goblins might just go and beat up each other or their war beasts otherwise.

[Ildac]

Could the goblin and minotaur ethics tags make them predisposed to indifference toward one another?

[Di]

I believe it's because thief enters stealth mode. I remember them making poor test subjects for captured FBs. Standard gobbos shouldn't have this problem. Though invaders usually enter flee mode upon being released from the cage and thus won't attack anyone unless the anyone is blocking their route to freedom.

[Button]

Minotaurs have both CAN_LEARN and CAN_SPEAK, which i think exempts them from butchering and taming.

You can tame [CAN_LEARN] and [CAN_SPEAK] creatures, but they need to also have [PET] or [PET_EXOTIC]. In unmodded DF, I believe the only [CAN_LEARN] [CAN_SPEAK] [PET_EXOTIC] creatures are gremlins and tigermen.

Butchering exemption is due to dwarven ethics, not the tags themselves.

[dresdor]

No silly!

See if you can appropriate a female minotaur, then do a little raw poking!

It may be possible to eventually domesticate minotaurs!

raw poking sounds like it might not be fun for the female minotaur....especially since minotaurs have horns.

[Emily Murkpaddled]

Creatures which would only attack one another because of generic discrepancies in ethics or mode won't do so if they are smaller than the target. So, your goblins won't attack a minotaur not attacking them already, and if the minotaur is blind, it won't attack a goblin unless it comes within the adjacent range blindness restricts to (I think it's one-tile, anyway, it may be three). The goblin probably also 'knows' to stay that far away from the minotaur because of the size difference, so I wouldn't expect a conflict between a blind minotaur and a goblin to break out naturally unless you were able to force the goblin's movement path.

[Oaktree]

I think the "flee" flag is the probable issue.  Once uncaged (and siege is broken) the goblin wants to head for the hills and won't fight unless first attacked or cornered.  The minotaur might be the same since I've seen an injured ettin retreat, heal for a while, and then come back to attack again.

If you dump both in the pit after caging they are willing to ignore each other since they want out more than they want to fight.  Now, if the minotaur has initially been lured into the arena/pit with bait and not cage trapped I would offer that it would retain it's aggressiveness and thus would attack goblins dumped in with it.

And supporting this is that I have seen minotaurs appear on my embark while a goblin siege is going on (also seen a dragon, a giant and an ettin appear as well on different occasions.)  The besieging goblins have attacked and killed them in every case - so there is no default peace accord between them.

[Urist MacNoob]

It is your duty to civilize this savage beast and bring it into the booze-soaked folds of dwarven society.

[Broseph Stalin]

Your minotaur probably lost an eye in world gen and had the other injured in the fortress. In world gen it's very common for eyes to be stabbed out even though it's impossible in practice to inflict such injuries.