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[scriver]

What's up?

[TD1]

Typically? The sky.

[SOLDIER First]

Knowingly having plot-relevant information revealed in universe but not out of universe so us readers have to wait to find out what this secret thing that the dwarves forgot is, and then laughing at us about it via smashing a lampshade into the fourth wall.

_{(i'm not mad mad, it's an excellent troll)}

[Imic]

It’s OOTS, I garuntee that Rich has done far worse in the past.

[Rolan7]

And uh, possibly the present.  1147

[smjjames]

And uh, possibly the present.  1147

Referring to the mindwipe part? I guess the world-remaking affects them in a way that doesn't affect the gods, or maybe it affects the gods in the same way (see Odin) and they are able to handle it better than the Outsiders can.

[Rolan7]

Nah I was joking around with "far worse" and the Limbo... weekend.

[scriver]

Where do outsiders go when they die?

[Egan_BW]

Back home. I think if they die on their home plane, they might be gone for good.

[scriver]

...Does that make mortals outsiders?

[Egan_BW]

Probably.

[Akura]

Was that a Futurama reference?


It's been established in this comic(and 3.5ed rules) that outsiders' souls dissipate into the plane they're from, meaning it cannot be Raised or Resurrected(but it can be True Resurrected).

[scriver]

Not a Futurama reference I meant to make.

I was thinking if the process is that Outsiders when they are killed on the prime material goes to their astral plane.

And mortals when killed in the prime material goes to their astral plane.

Then mortals sound like outsiders to me.

[Rolan7]

I was going to explain how Outsider is based on where they're native, not where they go on death, but I would have been mistaking Outsider for Extraplanar...

An outsider is at least partially composed of the essence (but not necessarily the material) of some plane other than the Material Plane. Some creatures start out as some other type and become outsiders when they attain a higher (or lower) state of spiritual existence.

Anyway, I think it is a common thing that Outsiders reform on their home plane (probably not The Astral Plane, it's a weird place).  I've heard that's true for demons and devils at least, and that it doesn't occur if they're killed while home - IIRC they dissipate into the plane, truly dead without the ninth level True Resurrection.  In 5e it looks like they reform instantly, in 3.5 I think it took hundreds of years (666 for devils, 999 for demons?).

Mortals just have their souls snatched up by gods (or possibly a plane) on death...  Or their souls just stick around the Material/Etherial planes as ghosts (or Shadows maybe?).  The Etherial plane is kinda unique in that it maps 1-to-1 with the Material, and is "close", which is why it's relatively easy to affect both at once.

Weirdly, Elementals are not Outsiders, just Explanar creatures... who specifically can't be resurrected normally.  So practically speaking, Outsiders.  I'm not sure why 3.5 did it that way.

Any creature that's away from its home plane is considered Extraplanar, heh, including normal adventurers.  I assume that's used for banishment spells... yeah it is, makes sense.  Can't banish a devil when you're in Hell!

Edit:  I'm rambling all over the place as I keep checking the references, but:

...Does that make mortals outsiders?

Nah, because mortals have a body and also a soul.  Outsiders (and Elementals!), their body IS their soul.  Monks at level 20 also fuse their body and soul, which does... little, since they still get to resurrect normally as a special case.

[Sergius]

Elementals come from inner planes, so they'd be... Insiders!