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Re: Order of the Stick: 1075 Shuffle the Deck
« Reply #2130 on: June 18, 2017, 01:10:14 pm »

Alternatively one could view it as: Belkar now has additional ballistas.
And he can dual-wield...
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Re: Order of the Stick: 1077 All Clear
« Reply #2131 on: June 24, 2017, 09:32:39 am »

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Re: Order of the Stick: 1077 All Clear
« Reply #2132 on: June 24, 2017, 09:38:02 am »

Lots of fourth wall commentary this strip. I'm not sure if it was successful, overall.
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Re: Order of the Stick: 1077 All Clear
« Reply #2133 on: June 24, 2017, 09:42:28 am »

Anyone know who this "Vaaruvius" person is? Some new supporting character...? :P
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Re: Order of the Stick: 1077 All Clear
« Reply #2134 on: June 24, 2017, 04:24:33 pm »

So, what's the AC on the skin of a potato, that the attack of a raven familiar* could fail to pierce? Assuming we don't count him rolling a natural 1.
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Re: Order of the Stick: 1077 All Clear
« Reply #2135 on: June 24, 2017, 04:33:09 pm »

Ravens have weapon finesse, so he's not actually half bad in the actually physically managing to hit department. However, since a potato is an object, it has a Hardness rating of some sort. Of course, I think most gms would call it hardness: 0. But maybe it was a tough old root and the gm called it hardness: 1, because of some oversight I can't imagine, there's not actually a hardness rating for a potato, that's within the realm of the gm to make up on the spot and thus possible. Ravens only do 1 damage, so, if it did have hardness 1, it would be immune to their scratches.
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Re: Order of the Stick: 1077 All Clear
« Reply #2136 on: June 24, 2017, 04:38:38 pm »

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Oh wow, I'm not sure whether we used that.  My character, a druid, had an animal companion which basically just maximized AC and never dealt damage. (but we also had a wizard who would use that rule)

I called her Duskwing.  RIP Dustwing Bloodwing, fuck me, I've had it wrong for a long time somehow!  I really thought the Borderlands2 bird was "Dustwing"!

Duskwing did survive the campaign, at least, after I retired my character.  Druids OP pls retire
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Re: Order of the Stick: 1077 All Clear
« Reply #2137 on: June 24, 2017, 04:40:23 pm »

So, what's the AC on the skin of a potato, that the attack of a raven familiar* could fail to pierce? Assuming we don't count him rolling a natural 1.
@ the abbreviation: It could have happened a while before, when they were lower level, and thus had a lower BAB.

The rules for inanimate objects' AC are: 10 + size modifier + Dexterity modifier. Quoting the SRD:
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An inanimate object has not only a Dexterity of 0 (–5 penalty to AC), but also an additional –2 penalty to its AC.
Let's say a potato's a Diminutive object, so +4 to AC, giving it an AC of 7.

V would have to be pretty low level for a raven to not be able to hit the skin of a potato, but that's kind of irrelevant: a raven can't even do any damage, since it rolls a 1d2-5 for damage.

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Re: Order of the Stick: 1077 All Clear
« Reply #2138 on: June 24, 2017, 04:44:44 pm »

but that's kind of irrelevant: a raven can't even do any damage, since it rolls a 1d2-5 for damage.
Damage rolls that result in lower then 1 still do one damage though (that's where the house cat vs commoner meme comes from after all). So technically it can still do damage. Just a very minute amount of it.
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Re: Order of the Stick: 1077 All Clear
« Reply #2139 on: June 24, 2017, 05:45:56 pm »

That's just for the roll+modifiers. Hardness and Damage Reduction apply after the "minimum 1 damage" rule kicks in, and can reduce the damage to (but not below) zero.

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Whenever damage reduction completely negates the damage from an attack, it also negates most special effects that accompany the attack, such as injury type poison, a monk’s stunning, and injury type disease. Damage reduction does not negate touch attacks, energy damage dealt along with an attack, or energy drains. Nor does it affect poisons or diseases delivered by inhalation, ingestion, or contact.

Attacks that deal no damage because of the target’s damage reduction do not disrupt spells.

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Each object has hardness—a number that represents how well it resists damage. Whenever an object takes damage, subtract its hardness from the damage. Only damage in excess of its hardness is deducted from the object’s hit points (see Table: Common Armor, Weapon, and Shield Hardness and Hit Points; Table: Substance Hardness and Hit Points; and Table: Object Hardness and Hit Points).
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Re: Order of the Stick: 1077 All Clear
« Reply #2140 on: June 25, 2017, 01:21:07 am »

Anyone know who this "Vaaruvius" person is? Some new supporting character...? :P
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Re: Order of the Stick: 1077 All Clear
« Reply #2141 on: June 25, 2017, 12:45:55 pm »

So if I'm understanding this correctly in order to defeat a 20th level fighter with some 150 hp you would only need to summon about 200 ravens to take im out in one turn?  Isn't there some low level spell like 'summon swarm' or somesuch that could do that?   No wonder everyone says fighters suck.

Heck even less if the poor sod didn't take Great Cleave...   'I attack the ravens.'  "Ok you kill one raven."  'Ok cleave' "you killed another raven. Sadly you don't have great cleave. roll 198 D1 for damage."
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Re: Order of the Stick: 1077 All Clear
« Reply #2142 on: June 25, 2017, 12:49:24 pm »

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Re: Order of the Stick: 1077 All Clear
« Reply #2143 on: June 25, 2017, 12:58:48 pm »

So if I'm understanding this correctly in order to defeat a 20th level fighter with some 150 hp you would only need to summon about 200 ravens to take im out in one turn?  Isn't there some low level spell like 'summon swarm' or somesuch that could do that?   No wonder everyone says fighters suck.

Heck even less if the poor sod didn't take Great Cleave...   'I attack the ravens.'  "Ok you kill one raven."  'Ok cleave' "you killed another raven. Sadly you don't have great cleave. roll 198 D1 for damage."

Swarms work a little differently, they do an amount of guaranteed damage if I recall correctly, not several hundred individual attacks because that'd be bloody stupid. Granted, fighters without extra tricks are still in trouble when it comes to dealing with swarms since they tend to be borderline immune or actually immune to weapon damage.

It also reflects that 200 ravens likely couldn't muster the necessary surface area to all attack one Medium-sized fighter. Even for Tiny or Diminutive creatures there are limits.
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Re: Order of the Stick: 1077 All Clear
« Reply #2144 on: June 25, 2017, 01:13:36 pm »

In 3.5, 4 tiny creatures can fit into one square, 25 diminutive and 100 fine.
A tiny creature like a raven has a reach of 0 feet, so it would have to occupy the same square.
Therefore 4 ravens could attack someone at once if they aren't being counted as a swarm.
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