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[LoSboccacc]

so far we had the agile character falling, the high wisdom character getting distracted, the highly intelligent mage failing to picking up clues.

I'm expecting next to see the bard being chased out of town because he's ugly.

[Blade Master Model 42]

so far we had the agile character falling, the high wisdom character getting distracted, the highly intelligent mage failing to picking up clues.

I'm expecting next to see the bard being chased out of town because he's ugly.

Hey, sometimes people botch their rolls.

[Akura]

A natural 1 is an automatic fail in most cases.


By the way, does that T-Rex still have its original Hit Die? That might explain how it beat the vamp's damage resistance.

[Culise]

A natural 1 is an automatic fail in most cases.


By the way, does that T-Rex still have its original Hit Die? That might explain how it beat the vamp's damage resistance.

It did retain its hit dice and hit points (and languages, though that's less relevant for an animal) at the time the spell was cast, but since it's been Baleful Polymorphed for over a day, it failed its will save to shake off the spell and lost its extra hit dice and hit points.  In other words, it's basically a 1 HD lizard per RAW, neglecting any "rule of story" tweaks made by Rich. 

[TheBiggerFish]

It probably has levels.  </joke>


.... Can that even happen?

[My Name is Immaterial]

Normally, no, since there isn't express Level Adjustment for using them as a PC race, but you could, perhaps with some application of Savage Species, and the DM's approval.
There's no rule that says it can't.

[Xantalos]

This reminds me of a story I found on /tg/ at one point about a guy who summoned a horde of angry cats into an NPC village. One survived the massacre of the villagers that followed and gained a level in Wizard. It subsequently became a lich and terrorized the fuck out of some PC party.

[Rolan7]

Apparently the rules suggest they can't:

Class Levels

Intelligent creatures that are reasonably humanoid in shape most commonly advance by adding class levels. Creatures that fall into this category have an entry of "By character class" in their Advancement line. When a monster adds a class level, that level usually represents an increase in experience and learned skills and capabilities.

Increased Hit Dice

Intelligent creatures that are not humanoid in shape, and nonintelligent monsters, can advance by increasing their Hit Dice. Creatures with increased Hit Dice are usually superior specimens of their race, bigger and more powerful than their run-of-the-mill fellows.

Read more: http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?353427-Animals-gaining-levels-in-PC-classes&s=56dc3caa7056d5bfd5ea1002c943aef8#ixzz3tSWtcrHF

But the thread points out that there are prestige classes for dragons.  Also I think Savage Species is the most advanced canon authority on this, since it's pretty much a book about customizing monsters.  (I've barely read it though)

I think I'd let any creature with >2 intelligence take class levels.  No animals or oozes.  Mindless undead don't retain any class levels.  These things are supposed to advance by HD, which generally sucks but sometimes makes them bigger.

While a dragon is supposed to advance by HD too, making it larger and improving its natural abilities in a way similar to class levels...  But I could see a dragon instead choosing to pursue a training regimen designed for mortals.  I haven't really looked at dragons much though, our campaign didn't have them.  I thought they were able to take human form, but I don't actually see that here...

Edit:  Cat wizard lich sounds awesome, and could happen if some druid "awakened" it.  It would need 10 int to actually cast anything...  And I think becoming a lich does require being able to cast certain spells.

[TheBiggerFish]

There is no direct prohibition against nonhumanoids taking class levels in the rules as written though.

[Greiger]

I might be that Rich is counting it as an animal companion for Belkar.  Though I think rangers are only allowed one pet normally, it could be some gm shenanigans going on.  Since a housecat hardly requires a ranger or druid to tame.

At any rate if I recall correctly the animal companions would be treated as (0.5 x Belkar's level), with increased hit dice.  I think they should also be able to cast as a ranger any of Belkar's spells.  Which as a high level ranger he should have, but I never saw him use any, so he might have a wis score below 11.  It's probably a toss up whether he has spells and just can't cast them, or just never bothered.

EDIT: Forgot that it's half level for rangers, druids are what have pets that match their full level.

[Rolan7]

Rangers also have wild empathy, which essentially lets them do diplomacy with animals (normally this is impossible).  They can even diplomacize dumb magical beasts with a -4 penalty...  However, dinosaurs are simply mundane animals!

Rich made an interesting rant and alternate rule set for diplomacy (also for polymorphing magic).  It was mostly a nerf, but what we're seeing here would still be quite possible if Bloodfeast (an allosaurus, apparently) resented the Empire of Blood.

RAW diplomacy is very vague and probably overpowered, so it's already up to dm fiat a lot.  Which means that rule of awesome has even more reign than usual.

[Orange Wizard]

rules as wrotten

Quality typo

[TheBiggerFish]

I blame my phone keyboard.

[Akura]

I was wondering, what are the Godsmoot rules about servants attacking servants? The vampire(serves HPoH) attacked Vel's tiger both directly and indirectly. Or is it limited to just the area the moot takes place?

[i2amroy]

It probably has levels.  </joke>


.... Can that even happen?

Considering that we've sort of established that there is no rule actively prohibiting it, and the fact that it was at one point used by none other than Tarquin as a mount I wouldn't view it as too far fetched. I could totally see Tarquin employing some sort of roundabout loophole method to give all of his planned personal mounts every possible advantage that he ever could through every cheating and plot-knowledgeable way he can dig up. (Maybe he hits them with Fox's Cunning to raise their intelligence and then teaches them enough to grant them levels or something )