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[Tomcost]

((I almost knew what was Harry going to do. And I haven't got the slightiest idea about how to kill him. Well, maybe that question can be answered by: what would happen if vacuum meets repulsive force?))

[Toaster]

Only one way to find out, isn't there?

[Tomcost]

((Yep, but that's not going to be me. Let the rest do the hard potentially lethal work.))

[Unholy_Pariah]

((Well he needs to make strength rolls to sustain his form, if enough people hurl strength draining spells at him he should implode))

do magical stuff that does not involve weakening harry. _{please dont kill me}

[GreatWyrmGold]

"This is not ideal! Let us try this again, but different! And successful!
"Necti Jupedem! Uraderke Uticat Anneell Bawsencif!"

[Hapah]

Finally figured out what I want to do with my character!

((How would a man made of blackholes even move?))

[Toaster]

Allow me to reference the Null Clause.

"Don't second guess magic." Null says

[The Ensorceler]

Uh... Carlos retroactively casts:

Josionp Venes Eolginv Loodo Anneel

Please let this work...

[Toaster]

You only have three pool, but you do have one point you haven't spend.  Put it in channeling and you can do a four word spell.

[Harry Baldman]

"~I've-told-every-little-star-just-how-sweet-I-think-you-are. Why-haven't-I-told-you?~"

Take a leisurely walk over to the Grand Room. Open up arms for vacuum hugs in case anyone comes over.

((I suspect this might not work as well as I initially thought, mostly due to a thing I've overlooked, but it is nothing one cannot fix with improved stats.))

[Sarzael]

Will doesnt help you if you re being smashed in the face agaisnt the ground... Oh wait look at that giant lion behind you. Oh wait you looked at it! Your brain just exploded.
Aaaand thats the reason you had so many chances at beating me. Circle of repel flesh wouldnt be a weapon but rather a protection, you wouldnt be able to get though it with your mere fists within a few turns (Depending on mage channeling) since will doesnt require pool, you can destroy people outside while safe of physical characters.
And sprinting doesnt really help you, as once you get the words to define the position you can attack players without the distances matter anymore. *Lava Where im thinking at* now its raining lava over you, or right where you step, or inside your lungs. Same with Control What im thinking of, it can affect anything you can think off, thus you could be controlled even if you re running two rooms away.

Science is gonna be done, considering there are more players at magic than physical, you cant stop that, and words will be learnt. One single turn can find a word that will easily kill physical characters. And so far no magical weapons have been able to hurt arcane energy persons. The only words i remember in Perplexicon capable of heavily hurting Arcane Energy were quicksilver and Arcane Energy itself, but triying to take a weapon out of arcane energy isnt a good idea, even if the hilt seems safe. And a weapon out of solid quicksilver will be too heavy as to be useful, and to toxic as to be safe to use.

Willmancers do not need for speed and avoiding, they can simply create a few creatures to slow enemies down while skulls are crushed, blood boils, eyes fly away like rockets, and persons are controlled into destroying stuff and killing themselves.

Conclusion: Pure-Physical characters will never beat an magical player with same quantity of souls. Magic weapons can be easily destroyed by Dispel Magic.
Also people wasnt original enough with will back in Perplexicon. Did anyone ever try to make a will-modified living magic armor? *Tries to punch person in the face, when suddenly spikes grow from helmet and pierce your hand, then the armor casts a lightning and you re dead.

You're speaking in pure hypothetical again. And Science takes time, at best it takes one turn. One turn, plenty of time to get shoulder-checked from the other side of the room. And that's supposing you find a good word immediately, instead of finding "flower" or "yellow", which are just as likely as finding anything else. The physical characters does not need to have any set-up to do an uppercut or headbutt. If you set up the hypothetical that will-based characters can easily summon up familiars, I can do the exact same and say that physical characters can bash you in before you could get a decent word out.

I made a physical character. He only could hurt and killed because of physical moves. And his killer died attempting magic.

Starting mages are weaker than physical characters. They have the potential to overpower physical characters, but in all situations with a new mage and new melee character battling, all variables make the former weaker than the latter at that point. The option of the mage is either to try to fight back, run away, or attempt a spell, which might be something good, and then might be properly cast.

Also, I find that I can have more fun role-playing physical characters than mages. And you can't beat that.

Last thing is your opinion.
Also, you cant kill, as i said, seven mages at once. And a mage might beat a physical character, overall considering they can overdrive.
You can bash one person. Then what? In a turn seven people with magic can easily do enough science as that will 99% find a word able to kill phisical. And then you wont stand a chance agaisnt most good mages.

Also Harry just used all the points on strenght... Does he realize that he still has to do endurance rolls whenever he absorbs stuff? Just throw a giant metal cylinder or something at him and he should implode.

[scapheap]

(What were my stats again?)

find puppy

[Thearpox]

((It might be a stupid question, but does vacuum equal black hole in this game? And if not, what's the practical difference?))

((Also syvarris, I have a lot of things to reply to your statement now. You know, hours pass, ideas come up. But unfortunately, I do not have the time right now, so if you'd like an exhaustive response involving my theories for why people play games, what's so involving about them, and so on, do let me know. Or somebody else for that matter. Or we can just forget about this argument for now.

Although I am a little annoyed by you saying that it's all irrelevant anyway. First of all, we are in a public space, so if anyone wants to make such a game sometime, these discussions can be helpful later. Two, the concepts we are discussing can extend much farther than Perplexicon. And I don't think there are a lot of people in the world having serious discussions about Forum Game Theory. I often find myself recycling the arguments I and others have developed before in new debates. And thirdly, everything is irrelevant if in the grand scheme of things. I honestly enjoy arguments for their own sake.))

((And yes, GrateWyrm is the best attention-deficit multitasker ever. The number of times this has caused him misunderstanding and caused me hilarity is astounding.))

[Nivim]

Spoiler: Thearpox  [= (click to show/hide)

You know, hours pass, ideas come up. But unfortunately, I do not have the time right now, so if you'd like an exhaustive response involving my theories for why people play games, what's so involving about them, and so on, do let me know.

If someone ever decides to ask you, by the time they do you'll have forgotten almost all the details they want to hear, and you would have to just read everything and hope it all occurs to you again. It's like you momentarily forgot how unreliable memory is, especially on exhaustive issues; if you don't consider something important enough to write down the first chance you get (requests be damned), you shouldn't expect your memory to hold onto it either.

First of all, we are in a public space, so if anyone wants to make such a game sometime, these discussions can be helpful later.

Only if they read them. Which requires they find them. Which requires they happen to search using the same keywords you use in them. And after all that they still need to be willing to skim through all the material they don't care about to find a small amount of material they could probably have just written themselves.

And I don't think there are a lot of people in the world having serious discussions about Forum Game Theory.

If you aren't careful, you'll have people thinking your discussions are intended to be as serious as Game Theory, which is the thing with military training and military applications.— Although, there is probably the solution to making a fun CTF game in the head of some Game Theory college graduate somewhere...

I often find myself recycling the arguments I and others have developed before in new debates.

This usually means you've found and are exploiting common cognitive fallacies. If an identical key is working in many different locks, it suggests the key is a lockpick, or an arc welder.

And thirdly, everything is irrelevant if in the grand scheme of things.

:]

I honestly enjoy arguments for their own sake.

This is usually something brought into the conversation as an accusation that the accused must vigorously deny to retain credibility. The internet might give you an infinite source of arguments, but you should find a place where you can be sure all participants are interested in arguing (versus understanding or clarifying) to satisfy this urge.
Also, if you wish to do so with me as a response to this, I must politely answer— no. Just respond as though you were trying to figure out some tech problem or build something with someone; for you see, that is exactly the will with which this post was written.

[Tomcost]

Action!