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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Principles of Divinity
« Reply #570 on: September 07, 2013, 09:22:23 pm »

Or at least, not town.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Principles of Divinity
« Reply #571 on: September 07, 2013, 10:00:55 pm »

*ahem*
Good guys must work together and share information. While I'd agree that it'd make you a bit more obvious to scum, it would also serve as a cover up that you don't want it being told.

..Which was my impression when you were talking to Jim back then about that dream. That was flavor. And unless it wasn't, then it's game-related.

And thematically, it is the question you have to answer. Which...you did.
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I gave flavor because there were good reasons brought forth. I do not see the same for claiming roles.
However it is preceded by a very conflicting detail.

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The point is you have to convince me there's sufficient reason to claim anything.
Why shouldn't you?
I could argue the semantics behind this, but the easiest way to say it is: I don't have to claim anything. This is the default. Giving information and eliminating uncertainty is double-edged. On the one hand, there could be information that helps. On the other hand, there eliminates protection and creates valuable targets. If the information were more beneficial, there could be a reason to release it.

This is why massive claims at the beginning of the game are horribly anti-Town. You remove anonymity and uncertainty.

So, in short: No. There's no reason to claim my role. There is no need to defend that decision. In fact, it's tantamount to rolefishing.

I should never have to defend my decision to not claim. That is on a whole different level of stupid to even suggest it.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Principles of Divinity
« Reply #572 on: September 07, 2013, 10:07:40 pm »

I should never have to defend my decision to not claim. That is on a whole different level of stupid to even suggest it.
Not part of my case :/

What I'm poking at is the beneficial part. The more people know, the better. Currently, it is assumed that scum know a heck lot more (and their path on the puzzle is the easy VIOLENCE way). The lack of detail and contribution, while subjective in this situation, just leaves a bad taste in that there's information being withheld.

Leafsnail: I note that you didn't claim either. Only note being shoes, you flirting (being trivial as you said), and what happened during N1/2. What did you do during those times?

This is why massive claims at the beginning of the game are horribly anti-Town. You remove anonymity and uncertainty.
Are they also anti-scum?

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I could argue the semantics behind this, but the easiest way to say it is: I don't have to claim anything. This is the default. Giving information and eliminating uncertainty is double-edged. On the one hand, there could be information that helps. On the other hand, there eliminates protection and creates valuable targets. If the information were more beneficial, there could be a reason to release it.
What protection would there be for a townie? I've already seen by process of elimination that a few are more town than the rest--that being the musician and the Goddess (who is going along third-party for me). ZU's note on being a follower of the Goddess also gives detail on him, but his posts and logic isn't matching up--he's missing questions and taking a page out of brevity, along with general questioning on 'who to lynch'.

That's where my logic comes from. Not a form of cheating (btw), but a form of discerning and comparing from past events.

...Though I'm totally confused how people would relate being a flower-person to 'Hey, the White Swan is buried in a rose patch :O'.

In absence of a claim, could you tell what you did on N1/2?
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Principles of Divinity
« Reply #573 on: September 07, 2013, 10:24:26 pm »

WTF?

First of all, no, you can't have what I did. Second of all, I believe we're confused on what is being asked. Are you asking what THE NAME OF MY ROLE IS or are you asking what my role is? Because these are two separate things.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Principles of Divinity
« Reply #574 on: September 07, 2013, 10:56:06 pm »

The name O_o

And I asked "could"-which..could be responded with something less than shock and exasperation, thanks.

And please answer these. I can't get what the benefits are--claiming doesn't explicitly mean 'throwing out your role/information' for others to dissect.
This is why massive claims at the beginning of the game are horribly anti-Town. You remove anonymity and uncertainty.
Are they also anti-scum?

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I could argue the semantics behind this, but the easiest way to say it is: I don't have to claim anything. This is the default. Giving information and eliminating uncertainty is double-edged. On the one hand, there could be information that helps. On the other hand, there eliminates protection and creates valuable targets. If the information were more beneficial, there could be a reason to release it.
What protection would there be for a townie?
Because at this point I can't see why what you did is so important that it must be withheld, along with the note in bold above? Yeah. Okami didn't seem like he followed the same idea judging by his 4 out of 7 pertinent posts.

..And I just noticed that flowers and dresses have been thoroughly discussed at his time. Very strange.

Anyway. judging by this, it seems that you've no care or need for knowledge of such, or any other triviality according to said flavor.

What is the core fact on why you're not claiming? To give scum an edge? From this point onwards, (#57 lurkertracker)
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I've minimalised as much of my flavor as possible in order to avoid revealing my role. In fact, anyone clever should be able to figure out what my role is from my flavor claim.
This and probably (well, I don't know why you said this but it doesn't sound like snark)

You didn't flavorclaim, exactly. You just said you have slippers..And when we say slippers here, they're..um, flip-flops, as how other countries say it? >_<

AnywayYou did say your point on it. However here you're just uncomfortable with people knowing it -now- than later. But this. You're with Leafsnail in a way that the music compels you to dance. And..I'm somehow thinking the story of the pied piper here--like you both share a past with him.


Though..This is an intriguing catch. While he didn't say anything regarding who did what about the white swan, the other deaths have notes.

Oh, and on that flavor, the only idea in my head is that you're Cinderella.

...I've no idea on how that relates to protection or whatnot other than assume that the Black Swan cohort is a group of angry stepsisters who are rich and pretty much condescending jerks.

..That's what I remember of the movie anyway.
Or that the musician has power over different shoes.



Lenglon: About that role..why do you eat dirt?

..And what did you do on N1?

ZU: Expound on this. Why. How.




I'm basing my thoughts on this note compared to the OP.

Tiruin looks at the Prince once more, glancing around before speaking her question. "What do you think about your subjects, milord? What do you think about yourself, and your possessions?

"What do you understand about 'evil'?"
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Principles of Divinity
« Reply #575 on: September 07, 2013, 10:56:33 pm »

Oops

I'm basing my thoughts on this note compared to the OP.

Tiruin looks at the Prince once more, glancing around before speaking her question. "What do you think about your subjects, milord? What do you think about yourself, and your possessions?

"What do you understand about 'evil'?"

Speak to the Prince.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Principles of Divinity
« Reply #576 on: September 07, 2013, 10:58:43 pm »

What caused the curse or what did you do to get a curse for that, Web? Did you know that those slippers equal a magic item, or is there any lore on those things and its relation to music on why?

...Why do you want the Prince, on that note?
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Principles of Divinity
« Reply #577 on: September 07, 2013, 11:17:22 pm »

"I... well, my first night here, I... well, I was kinda lost, worried, and suspicious. So I first listened to my suspicions and followed Solifuge until she went into Griffonday's room. then afterwards I felt hungry, and thirsty, so went out to the garden and I tried to eat some dirt... that... that didn't end well. afterwards I tried to drink some water, but no matter how long I stood in the pond, my ro-feet just wouldn't fill up. It... it wasn't a very good night for me."

Lenglon: About that role..why do you eat dirt?

..And what did you do on N1?
I tried and failed to eat dirt on night one, because I got hungry, after I followed Solifuge and saw her go to GriffonDay's room.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Principles of Divinity
« Reply #578 on: September 07, 2013, 11:27:50 pm »

"I... well, my first night here, I... well, I was kinda lost, worried, and suspicious. So I first listened to my suspicions and followed Solifuge until she went into Griffonday's room. then afterwards I felt hungry, and thirsty, so went out to the garden and I tried to eat some dirt... that... that didn't end well. afterwards I tried to drink some water, but no matter how long I stood in the pond, my ro-[...]"
"Ro-ooots?"
Tiruin blinks.
"..This is confusing. Flowers don't eat dirt. They..get the food from the dirt. And..you're brave enough to claim you're a flower-girl in front of everyone.

"..Really confusing. Anyway."


I take it you got interrupted N2, huh. As in..following others? I'm pretty doubtful that those that can take actions are interrupted by Jim's Dreamer style.

[spoiler-OOC. Oh Lenglon]
I tried and failed to eat dirt on night one, because I got hungry[...]
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Principles of Divinity
« Reply #579 on: September 07, 2013, 11:36:26 pm »

ZU: Expound on this. Why. How.
I'm pretty sure I already answered this. Its because I protected her N1.

Yeah, I guess you're right mostly.  But if you read Solifuge's role PM it implies she originally intended to fight the Prince to protect you, and it was only because she fell in love upon seeing him that she didn't.  So if ZU didn't do that then he'd be mafia.
I'm a blesser, not a fighter.

Also, ZU: You shrugged off LS' accusations as you being lazy and..other detrimental adjectives and evaded me querying you on why you're like that.
Why.
His accusations are basically true, but they're because I'm busy and have never been really focused on this game.

Something strikes me as interesting, ZU. Why would two mathematicians be following a goddess?
I'm not a mathematician per se, I use math to protect people. N1 I let x=Graham's number and put it on Lenglon's door so that anyone doing her harm would stop and ponder it instead. N2 I drew a cardioid and everyone who wishes to do Jim harm would think about love instead.

> Why can't it be me.
> Why do you want to lynch Horatio..and of your comments on the lynch, why that mention of a No Lynch (and why does it seem that you're going along with the flow rather than give your take on the matter)?
Because the prince was talking to you and referred to the other person in third person.
These things are worth considering in a semibastard.

Also, three questions. What happened when you doctor'd them-why did you doctor Jim/Lenglon? And why are you ignoring me poking at you ignoring Leafsnail's vote on you?
They got doctored. I felt they were town and might be NK'd. I'm not.

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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Principles of Divinity
« Reply #580 on: September 08, 2013, 12:04:54 am »

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=128261.msg4489890#msg4489890
Solifuge and I are mentioned here. It looks like I'm the one who refused to change dresses and Solifuge is the tall one.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=128261.msg4547900#msg4547900
Web 1 was QES'd by me to stop Horatio's guilt.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=128261.msg4580305#msg4580305
Horatio's doing the lynching and ate part of Web 1. Ewww...
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=128261.msg4582715#msg4582715
Sigfred is Hamlet's younger brother. Griffionday is Sigfred's younger brother.

Not sure if mentioned already.


Sigfred:
What happened to Fortinbras?
Did you know there are males within us 13 "princesses"?
Do you trust Horatio?
Do you know anything of the Rose Clan? How about the Lily Clan?
Do you have any other siblings?


TWS: Are you male or female?
LS, Web: Does anything happen to you guys if the musician dies?

extend Probably busy tomorrow.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Principles of Divinity
« Reply #581 on: September 08, 2013, 12:06:07 am »

Also Tiruin you are being very hypocritical by asking webadict to claim and not fully claiming yourself.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Principles of Divinity
« Reply #582 on: September 08, 2013, 12:30:00 am »

"Uh... not, not really. I mean, I followed Toaster last night, to Web's room. but my actions before I slept last night didn't really stand out in my memory the way that... that dream did."

I take it you got interrupted N2, huh. As in..following others? I'm pretty doubtful that those that can take actions are interrupted by Jim's Dreamer style.
No, N2 I followed Toaster to Web. my N2 flavor was overwhelmingly about Jim's message, little else.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Principles of Divinity
« Reply #583 on: September 08, 2013, 12:37:30 am »

ZU: Expound on this. Why. How.
I'm pretty sure I already answered this. Its because I protected her N1.
So everyone you protect gets a QES?
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Principles of Divinity
« Reply #584 on: September 08, 2013, 12:38:20 am »

Also Tiruin you are being very hypocritical by asking webadict to claim and not fully claiming yourself.
>_> I claimed in full, only that I can't directly claim.
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