Anyway, since this debate is probably going nowhere soon, let's talk about the future. I honestly like to know where burningpet thinks the situation is headed, and where he wants the situation to lead to.
Where the situation is headed? in the short term its not going for a good direction. we have been in a low-mid scale third intifada for ~4 months now and the world doesn't even twit about it, in fact, even the various news outlets in israel barely mentioned it up until this past week because of a decision at the top to try and hide it in the hopes it will cool down by itself. that baby was far from being the first terror victim since the last operation in gaza and israel is getting forced to abandon its "containing" policy which have given palestinians free reign in committing serious violent hate crimes against jews without a serious response. when israel will abandon this policy, and all signs show that this is the direction the palestinians lead to, then i will participate in another war as a soldier and the West bank will end out just like another Gaza and they don't really have the resilience and tools to be successful at such a conflict. the next week or two will be decisive and it all depends on whether the PA/Fatah/Various israeli arab leaders (I don't mention its muslim arabs, because christians arabs have petitioned to officially get recognized as arameans and the israeli government recently accepted that request) keeps flaming this hate like they had these past weeks.
The world will rage and european muslims who kept quiet when hundreds of thousands died in the muslim middle east countries, will suddenly wake up and remind themselves they are peace loving liberals that can't witness poor muslims getting killed and israel should be exterminated for that.
Where it will go after that? hard to tell. I think the world have had enough with the palestinians and muslims nutcases, but i also think that arab money and growing muslim immigrants in europe is a dominant factor so this status quo will remain, only with the west bank ever poorer. israel might get boycotted which will bother no one since everything that europe boycot, the russians and chinese buy at the same price with less hurdles. maybe we will see further violence by muslims in europe.
So long as UNRWA and the made up "Palestinians refugees" label continue to exist, there will be no solution to this specific conflict. settling the refugees, which is, ironically, not one of UNRWA's goals, means that UNRWA, which is one of the largest employer in the Palestinian territories, will have to shut down and i can't see that happening giving all the benefits and funds UNRWA and the palestinians gets just for keeping themselves refugees. so people have been blaming israel for the lack of peace, but how can israel achieve peace, when the palestinians economy is mostly dependent on continuing the struggle?
They claim they want peace and israel to return to '67 lines. fine, not a bad proposal for israel, but then again, what will that achieve? returning to '67 lines without resolving the refugees idiotic claims will not bring peace, it will simply preserve the situation, now with israel having far less power in defending itself. next they will want a return to the original UN partition plan which they completely rejected before so they could finally drive out the only sane, reasonable and progressive nation in this hell hole.
So long as the muslim countries continue to be muslim dominated and have strong say on things due to their monies, i don't see anyone seriously questioning UNRWA purpose and function nor the ridiculousness of the palestinians rights of return claims. well, some have started to question it, like Canada, but that, some suggested, might have cost them a seat at the security council.
When will it finally end? well, maybe when the whole region gets into a serious water crisis and turn to israel desalination technology for the rescue? not sure, considering how things are handled in their world, they will just buy the tech with one hand and fund terror attack against us with the other hand, Kinda like Ismail haniya, head of hamas, who sent his daughter to israel for an urgent life saving treatment a week ago because his palestinian doctors almost killed her in a surgery, but called us baby killers and praised the terrorist baby killer as a hero yesterday or abu mazen who had a quite similar situation with his wife, where he apparently trusted israel enough to send his wife to us for saving her, but found it reasonable to accuse us of wanting to genocide all the palestinians.
So long as the world support ridiculous claims like israel is an apartheid state and the palestinian narrative (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcEL-NlxBk0), the conflict will resume. the only reasonable way out of this conflict is if the world realize what he actually deals with, and daesh is giving a pretty good display so that might eventually become a reality. once that happens and the PA/Hamas stop getting fat paid bonuses for breeding hate and violence in their schools and mosques and the West decide it actually need to slam the terror funding muslim countries, the palestinians will have no other option but to concede.
Will that completely stop muslims hate toward jews? no, that can only happen if muslims actually realize they have a problem. this is a good start, even granted its only a half job, but its a start: (
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/fareed-zakaria-islam-has-a-problem-right-now-but-heres-why-bill-maher-is-wrong/2014/10/09/b6302a14-4fe6-11e4-aa5e-7153e466a02d_story.html)
I would also like to know how come Israel managed to make a peace with all its neighbor but Palestine if the problem is that Muslims Arabs hate Jews and want them out of their home.
2/5 is not all. its not even most.
(Don't know why i am even shocked anymore)
Egypt got the sinai peninsula, oil fields, complete control of the suez canal, american military funding and the ability to decrease their own spending on military. simply put, israel was too much for them to handle as they were crumbling under the constant war pressure they were putting on israel themselves. also, if it wasn't for the secular army who kept the muslim brotherhood in check, that peace would have probably ended, most likely not in a direct conflict, but egypt would have kept playing a role not too different than syria/iran (Which it actually started to perform under the muslim brotherhood).
Jordan had the rare luxury of having King hussein.
But go visit jordan and egypt, talk with the common population and then tell me if the peace is real or have any bright future. for all we know, Jordan could fall into the palestinians and/or Daesh hands in the next 5 years and completely reverse that peace.
Exactly. Now, should Israel lets the Palestinian have a state, why wouldn't Israel be able to make peace with them? The reasons they keep sending rockets despite knowing full well that they can't beat Israel in a fight is because many feels they have nothing to loose.
Or, well, maybe it has something to do with their indoctrinated hate toward israel? (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Q8K5TmivMthey) or the fact they know they will get a fat bonus check in the form of 5.4 billion dollars, 1.4 billions more than what they said they needed, which was an extremely bloated number as is in the first place? at the end of the day, during war times, khaled mashal hides in a luxury hotel in qatar and ismail haniya hide under a hospital because it knows damn well israel will not target it, so yeah, they have nothing to lose by telling their religious drones to keep sending rockets, while they got everything to lose by having peace.
This is simply an extortion scheme carried through deep religious racism of the wide ignorant population.
Since israel is neither the source nor the reason for this hate and violence, nothing that israel will do (Beside vanishing all together) will solve it.
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