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[Scoops Novel]

That's the thing--WHY IS IT IMPORTANT if it's natural or a choice?

Seconded. It's run out of it's already limited utility (a weak argument against those claiming they where abominations against God's will), and in my opinion both have influence.

[EnigmaticHat]

I understand neuroscience is complicated stuff we don't know that much about as yet, but why, in cases where your sex is unambiguous, undergo a sex change if you're mind is still very much that of your prior sex? How does this factor in for those who are atheists, and on that note, what are the religious affiliations statistics as a whole? Yes, I'm googling that last one, but there isn't too much information apparently.

That's the opposite of what transsexuals are.  Transsexuals usually feel that they have a mind that belongs in the body of the other sex.  I don't think, under the circumstances you described, that most people would choose to undergo a sex change.

Isn't being transgendered a mental/physical disorder?

Depends on your definition of a disorder.  I think the current working definition among psychologists is "anything that makes the patient's life significantly more difficult" in which case the answer is that being trans and not having made the switch is a disorder, but once a trans person has become comfortable with their body/gender it would cease to be a disorder because they can live comfortably with no unusual assistance.

[misko27]

Well, cool. I knew somehow there is always one word that finds all the things I look for and ignores the thing's I don't.


On tumblr this word is privilege. I also learned how to spell privilege correctly today.

Isn't being transgendered a mental/physical disorder?

Depends on your definition of a disorder.  I think the current working definition among psychologists is "anything that makes the patient's life significantly more difficult" in which case the answer is that being trans and not having made the switch is a disorder, but once a trans person has become comfortable with their body/gender it would cease to be a disorder because they can live comfortably with no unusual assistance.

So that makes a sex change operation a medical procedure to correct a disorder?


Anyway, I'm still not 100% sure what is being argued.

[Loud Whispers]

That's the thing--WHY IS IT IMPORTANT if it's natural or a choice?

Important in countries with national healthcare, which can determine whether it's funded by the state or not.

Though really, I think I've changed my mind about cissexual - at least this one time, as the opportunity to shout at someone "SON OF A CISSEXUAL" is too good to pass.

[Vlad]

Isn't being transgendered a mental/physical disorder?

Depends on your definition of a disorder.  I think the current working definition among psychologists is "anything that makes the patient's life significantly more difficult" in which case the answer is that being trans and not having made the switch is a disorder, but once a trans person has become comfortable with their body/gender it would cease to be a disorder because they can live comfortably with no unusual assistance.

So that makes a sex change operation a medical procedure to correct a disorder?


Anyway, I'm still not 100% sure what is being argued.

Transgenders suffer from Gender Dysphoria, which is a mental disorder which can have biological causes so it's classification is argued by people.

This thread reminded me of this which happened a while ago. Which means that it's not recognized as choice by the courts but a disorder, still a waste of tax payers dollars though.

[Xantalos]

That's the thing--WHY IS IT IMPORTANT if it's natural or a choice?

Important in countries with national healthcare, which can determine whether it's funded by the state or not.

Though really, I think I've changed my mind about cissexual - at least this one time, as the opportunity to shout at someone "SON OF A CISSEXUAL" is too good to pass.

Wait, cissexual is nontransgendered?
WAT

[Tilla]

That's the thing--WHY IS IT IMPORTANT if it's natural or a choice?

Important in countries with national healthcare, which can determine whether it's funded by the state or not.

Though really, I think I've changed my mind about cissexual - at least this one time, as the opportunity to shout at someone "SON OF A CISSEXUAL" is too good to pass.

Wait, cissexual is nontransgendered?
WAT

Yes. It is an incredibly useful term for conversations involving discussion of gender identity.

Cis as a prefix of Latin origin, meaning "on the same side [as]" or "on this side [of]"
Trans is a Latin noun or prefix, meaning "across", "beyond" or "on the opposite side".

[kingfisher1112]

That's the thing--WHY IS IT IMPORTANT if it's natural or a choice?

To determine whether proper treatment should be funded as a "Cure"

[scriver]

Isn't being transgendered a mental/physical disorder?
I find it abhorrent that there are people who could deride someone for disorder they were born with.

That's kind of the debated thing, is it natural or a choice? And of course, some of the worst folks on tumblr go very far in abusing the notion that it's not a choice (see but do not further discuss: Otherkin.)

No, it is debated whether it's natural or learned. Nobody who knows anything about transsexuality believes it to be a choice.

[Vattic]

No, it is debated whether it's natural or learned. Nobody who knows anything about transsexuality believes it to be a choice.

I wonder if that's the case only because I thought the same about homosexuality until I met people who said they had chosen their preference.

[Vector]

There's a lot of people who feel some attraction to both genders and then pick one to be with exclusively.

[Dutchling]

No, it is debated whether it's natural or learned. Nobody who knows anything about transsexuality believes it to be a choice.

I wonder if that's the case only because I thought the same about homosexuality until I met people who said they had chosen their preference.

That's called being bisexual.

[Vattic]

There's a lot of people who feel some attraction to both genders and then pick one to be with exclusively.

Are there not people who felt some belonging to both genders and decided to pick one specifically?

No, it is debated whether it's natural or learned. Nobody who knows anything about transsexuality believes it to be a choice.

I wonder if that's the case only because I thought the same about homosexuality until I met people who said they had chosen their preference.

That's called being bisexual.

Funnily enough one of the people I'm talking about claimed to have been straight, but not disgusted by men like some, and chosen to become bisexual to widen the pool of prospective partners.

[Vector]

Probably.  That's sort of what I've done.

[GlyphGryph]

That's called being bisexual.

Depends on who you ask. It's not a general statement I'd be comfortable making. Choice can play a large role in attraction, after all, if not the only one. Choosing doesn't make it less true, and "bisexual" implies their homosexuality would be fake. I don't think thats a good way to look at things.