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[forsaken1111]

Does anyone else think the website for this game is really poorly designed? Like they just tried to cram way too much stuff in to these screens.

[Capntastic]

Looks fine to me.  It might not be rendering right for you, or something.

[Brons]

Why focus on the life time insurance only? If I get the cheapest account with the cheapest/no ship will I be able to fight and win (assuming equal skill and luck) a fight on day one against a guy with the best ship money can buy on day/minute one? If the answer is no the game is pay to win, if the answer is yes I wonder why people are buying these ships considering they're so terrible.

1) Cheapest ship is a basic all-rounder ship not specifically designed for combat, so you're comparing apple-to-orange;

Because one party gets the apples and the other gets the oranges.... Thats the problem.
[qoute]
2) Again, combat isn't everything and your definition of "winning" is the outcome of a single dog fight; your Call of Duty mentality isn't compatible with the type of experience this game offers;[/quote]We'll just wait for the economic improvements you can buy with real cash. But I have no doubt in my mind that if you get killed 20 times while a certain group of people doesnt get killed that much (and gets their ship back for free) that the second group has a huge advantage.

3) People don't pledge just to "pay-to-win"; they do so to support the development of the game through crowd-sourcing;

Still pay to win

4) I paid $175 for a cargo hauler because I want to experience the trading aspect of the game but you can still destroy my $175 ship with your $45 starter ship; is this "pay-to-win" too?

You will have other (paid for) advantages that make it still pay to win. Can I profit from the trading aspect of the game the same you can on day 1, assuming equal skill?

5) It seems crowd-funding isn't your cup of tea, so I'll leave it at this.

It's awesome. Not all publishers decide to give huge advantages to the high rollers tho. As I said early itt I look forward to the game and I actually thought about pledging but I sadly cant do that considering the p2w nature of the game.

[jocan2003]

Why focus on the life time insurance only? If I get the cheapest account with the cheapest/no ship will I be able to fight and win (assuming equal skill and luck) a fight on day one against a guy with the best ship money can buy on day/minute one? If the answer is no the game is pay to win, if the answer is yes I wonder why people are buying these ships considering they're so terrible.

1) Cheapest ship is a basic all-rounder ship not specifically designed for combat, so you're comparing apple-to-orange;

Because one party gets the apples and the other gets the oranges.... Thats the problem.
[qoute]
2) Again, combat isn't everything and your definition of "winning" is the outcome of a single dog fight; your Call of Duty mentality isn't compatible with the type of experience this game offers;

We'll just wait for the economic improvements you can buy with real cash. But I have no doubt in my mind that if you get killed 20 times while a certain group of people doesnt get killed that much (and gets their ship back for free) that the second group has a huge advantage.

3) People don't pledge just to "pay-to-win"; they do so to support the development of the game through crowd-sourcing;

Still pay to win

4) I paid $175 for a cargo hauler because I want to experience the trading aspect of the game but you can still destroy my $175 ship with your $45 starter ship; is this "pay-to-win" too?

You will have other (paid for) advantages that make it still pay to win. Can I profit from the trading aspect of the game the same you can on day 1, assuming equal skill?

5) It seems crowd-funding isn't your cup of tea, so I'll leave it at this.

It's awesome. Not all publishers decide to give huge advantages to the high rollers tho. As I said early itt I look forward to the game and I actually thought about pledging but I sadly cant do that considering the p2w nature of the game.
[/quote]Join private server or make your own if you dont like the cash shop and spawn yourself a capital ship and own anyone not paying you to get one i dont know... There is other alterntive its not like they are forcing your hands.

[BuriBuriZaemon]

Snip.

Each to his own then. This will fix all your problems and only costs $40 to get the game (and alpha and beta access):

Join private server or make your own if you dont like the cash shop and spawn yourself a capital ship and own anyone not paying you to get one i dont know... There is other alterntive its not like they are forcing your hands.

Despite our arguments, you're welcome on board my pay-to-win four-crew Constellation. As I said many times, the fact that I (or anyone else) have a pledge ship doesn't mean it's only to be enjoyed solo--this game is more of a co-operative space simulation instead of an over glorified deathmatch.

[Capntastic]

Hangar Module is about one month away; apparently it's going to be released during the Gamescon thing

[Skyrunner]

I think I want this game. O_o

[Capntastic]

You can still get Lifetime Insurance on your pledge ship if you have someone with Original or Vet backer status buy it for you.

[jocan2003]

You can still get Lifetime Insurance on your pledge ship if you have someone with Original or Vet backer status buy it for you.

Ohhhhhh cool, ill get somebody here to buy a 4man ship, i know nothing about ship classification in star citizen, is the 4 man ship a corvette? or frigate? i would think frigate would be at least a 6-8 man ship.

[forsaken1111]

This has to be the first game I've ever seen where people are throwing real money at nonexistant crap before the game is even live.

Sounds like it will be utter shit to play if you didn't invest a few hundred dollars before launch. Everyone will have great ships at launch and who cares if they explode because free replacements forever yay!

[Capntastic]

You can still get Lifetime Insurance on your pledge ship if you have someone with Original or Vet backer status buy it for you.

Ohhhhhh cool, ill get somebody here to buy a 4man ship, i know nothing about ship classification in star citizen, is the 4 man ship a corvette? or frigate? i would think frigate would be at least a 6-8 man ship.

There's no real classifications like that yet.  Most ships have a listed role but that doesn't really relate to its size that much.  It's not like EVE which has like, frigate -> destroyer -> cruiser, etc.

I have Vet Backer status, I can help someone get Lifetime Insurance if they need it.

[Capntastic]

This has to be the first game I've ever seen where people are throwing real money at nonexistant crap before the game is even live.

Sounds like it will be utter shit to play if you didn't invest a few hundred dollars before launch. Everyone will have great ships at launch and who cares if they explode because free replacements forever yay!

Yeah that sounds about right, thank you for your insights, you have a good lock on the situation.

Edit:  I mean, really:  This is the only game you've seen that is crowdfunded and has tiered rewards?

[jocan2003]

This has to be the first game I've ever seen where people are throwing real money at nonexistant crap before the game is even live.

Sounds like it will be utter shit to play if you didn't invest a few hundred dollars before launch. Everyone will have great ships at launch and who cares if they explode because free replacements forever yay!

Yeah that sounds about right, thank you for your insights, you have a good lock on the situation.

Edit:  I mean, really:  This is the only game you've seen that is crowdfunded and has tiered rewards?

He meant paying to get a virtual ship outside of kickstarter while the game is still in devlopment. Among other virtual stuff.

[forsaken1111]

This has to be the first game I've ever seen where people are throwing real money at nonexistant crap before the game is even live.

Sounds like it will be utter shit to play if you didn't invest a few hundred dollars before launch. Everyone will have great ships at launch and who cares if they explode because free replacements forever yay!

Yeah that sounds about right, thank you for your insights, you have a good lock on the situation.

Edit:  I mean, really:  This is the only game you've seen that is crowdfunded and has tiered rewards?

He meant paying to get a virtual ship outside of kickstarter while the game is still in devlopment. Among other virtual stuff.

Yes. that. This is going way beyond 'crowdfunded by kickstarter with tiered rewards'. Now we have limited time offers and buying ingame perks with real money which will make the game easier for you.

[Rince Wind]

Tbh, if they deliver on on their promises I don't think it will matter much.
I am mostly looking forward to the singleplayer campaign anyway though. I got the basic ship from the kickstarter and I don't intend to pour more money in.