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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #2251 on: September 17, 2013, 08:12:13 pm »

I have found the presence of a Regent from the very start of the Formic fortress to be somewhat annoying, and have since checked the raws and noticed that none of the conditions set for them are met even at the point I am playing. The only thing I can find that looks wrong is that [LAND_HOLDER:1] is entered twice. I'm going to try removing one of them and see if that helps.

Edit: Didn't fix it.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2013, 08:17:33 pm by Poldon »
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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #2252 on: September 17, 2013, 08:27:00 pm »

I'm just realizing now how amazingly impoverished our basic word vocabulary file is. All the adjectives included are clearly for the Halfling perspective, and we're missing many basics such as ones that describe age, direction, or order. Also, we need to update it to include the names of the other races, as currently the only race names anyone has words for are "halfling", "hound", "mallard", "tiger", "dragon", and "tit".
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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #2253 on: September 17, 2013, 08:29:50 pm »

Okay ;)

* Putnam suddenly realizes every word he add will have to have 3 corresponding translations

WillowLuman

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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #2254 on: September 17, 2013, 08:32:16 pm »

Let the creators of each language come up with the translation for the word.

Here's an idea. Every time you want to use a world in the game but can't find it, POST IT HERE. I'll start:
-New, Old
-Haven
-Harbor
-North, South, East, West
-Fire
-Ice
-Wind
-Tree (have appletree, but not tree)?
-Shovel, Pick, Axe
-Weapon
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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #2255 on: September 17, 2013, 08:40:46 pm »

Why do Halflings have to use English words at all?
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« Reply #2256 on: September 17, 2013, 08:51:53 pm »

Well I just had an instance of Trade Depot Explosion as the Formics. There is still something causing caravans to explode when they attempt to unload. I'm going to reload the save and see if I can gather any information.
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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #2257 on: September 17, 2013, 08:56:00 pm »

Why do Halflings have to use English words at all?

Here's how language in DF works:

The vocabulary words that the game uses are all defined in a great big txt file, in English. Each "language" is a collection of translations for those English words, for instance [T_WORD:DAGGER:urist]. Every language must have a translation for every word in the basic vocabulary, or else you get names that include " " because the game generates names based on the basic vocabulary, and displays the translation of it.

Our basic vocabulary was originally created under the mistaken assumption that each language could have it's own "words.txt" file, so it began as an "ABC's for Halflings dictionary". Then many more words were added after this was corrected. But we're still missing many needed words, thus all languages are somewhat "hobbit-flavored" because of the basic vocabulary the translations are based on.
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Putnam

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Re: DF from scratch: The entirely player-made universe succession.
« Reply #2258 on: September 17, 2013, 08:58:11 pm »

Think you quoted the wrong word.

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« Reply #2259 on: September 17, 2013, 09:01:23 pm »

Fixed.

Anyway, no language has a word for "tree", but everyone, even bloodthirsty swamp lizards, has a word for "appletree". In fact, carnivorous swamp lizards have a word for "tea" but not for "blood" or "meat"
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« Reply #2260 on: September 17, 2013, 09:03:28 pm »

word.

I worded the wrong word.

Anyway, I found this in STL's insects file:

Code: [Select]
[MILKABLE:WATER:9600]

Should be WATER:NONE. Odd amount of malformed material tokens, actually.

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« Reply #2261 on: September 17, 2013, 09:08:29 pm »

I know that.

But is the Halfling word for "Hill", "Hill"?

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« Reply #2262 on: September 17, 2013, 09:38:25 pm »

Halflings use the translation file "language_english_halfling", as it makes sense for them to speak simple English, being creatures of the pastoral English countryside.

By contrast, the Formic word for hill is "khabarim"
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« Reply #2263 on: September 17, 2013, 09:42:42 pm »

Code: [Select]
reaction_hivestuff_putnam

[OBJECT:REACTION]

[REACTION:CHURN_BUTTER_PUTNAM]
[NAME:churn butter from milk]
[BUILDING:KITCHEN:CUSTOM_B]
[REAGENT:milk:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE][HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:BUTTER_MAT][MIN_DIMENSION:150]
[REAGENT:container:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE][CONTAINS:milk][PRESERVE_REAGENT][DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
[PRODUCT:100:5:GLOB:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:milk:BUTTER_MAT]
[SKILL:COOK]

[REACTION:MAKE_CHEESE_PUTNAM]
[NAME:make cheese from milk]
[BUILDING:KITCHEN:CUSTOM_C]
[REAGENT:milk:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE][HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:CHEESE_MAT][MIN_DIMENSION:150]
[REAGENT:container:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE][CONTAINS:milk][PRESERVE_REAGENT][DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
[PRODUCT:100:5:CHEESE:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:milk:CHEESE_MAT]
[SKILL:CHEESEMAKING]


I've made these reactions for a hive creature I've also made and now I need somewhere to put them. Whose playable entities can have these?

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« Reply #2264 on: September 17, 2013, 09:47:49 pm »

That would go great for the halflings, except for one problem:

We don't actually have any creatures that lactate at the moment. Some can be "milked", yes, but in much the same way as one would milk a snake. None of them actually produce milk or even something analogous to it. We have a milk template, but not milk creatures.

This is something you could remedy ;)
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