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[Cruxador]

So how does everyone treat PD? I usually set mine to 10 as soon as I get the province, eventually cranking it up to 15, and after that to whatever my gobs of money allow me to.

One, to discourage scout-capping and to see the battles. Six, if I'm flush and fear elves, since that increases the description that they see to the next tier. But pretty much never more, unless it's a very specific situation where I need more bodies fast in a defensive fight and that's the only way to do it fast enough.

[Majestic7]

PD 10-15 prevents certain Bad Events from firing or at least reduces their chances, so that is what I use unless I'm strapped for cash. Of course, some nations have shit PD while others get pretty good troops. So sometimes it is worth going higher for important provinces.

In general though, static defenses are always a losing proposition compared to active actions from your own part.

[Neonivek]

To admit a lot of the time you are just using the PD to tire out the enemies.

[Anvilfolk]

Starting to sound like Caelum PD is a pretty crap situation. Flying troops that aren't very numerous usually get murderized easily, right?

[Kagus]

Yep, particularly when they have no scripting to tell them when and where to attack. Things generally don't go that well...  Actually quite noticeable with EA Arco's PD as well, since at very high levels they start getting icarids thrown into the mix. ...the problem is, there are only very few of them, and because of the levels required they're really rather expensive. So all they ever manage to do is just die horribly the moment anything shows up.

Basically the one thing flying PD CAN do is interrupt and slaughter scouts/whatnot who are next to a friendly province and have "Retreat" scripted for when they get found out. Otherwise, not a whole lot unless they get really lucky.

I think monkey PD is still somewhat notorious, but I'm not sure if it got buffed a bit or not.


So, no comment on the dreamlands thing? I thought it could've been an interesting concept...

[ThtblovesDF]

R'yleh might have one of the best PDs for 1 Gold, since the Illithid Lord is such a beast with his mind-blast. Do any Giants get a real big commander?

[Cruxador]

R'yleh might have one of the best PDs for 1 Gold, since the Illithid Lord is such a beast with his mind-blast. Do any Giants get a real big commander?

Lemuria is another strong contender for best 1pd.

[E. Albright]

Gath of all ages get giants, with MA winning by virtue of a Raephite compared to the other era's Avvim (well, technically Gittites for LA). Although special mention for EA's Kohen as the second fort commander; a 240g H1B1?1(FES) pop-eating, unrest-causing giant being safely tucked away as PD is always a nice touch.

EA and MA Jotunheim have sacred Jotun Herses, but they can't self-bless, so the sacred is less exciting.

EA Van/Helheim have Vanherses, which even unscripted and unequipped is still kinda hawt.

[sprinkled chariot]

Where is the death theme in hellheim?

[Frumple]

Uh. All but two of their casters have death access? They've also got two national summons that take death to call up. Fair chunk of their junk's descriptions is laced with death-related stuff, too.

[Kagus]

Heh, yeah, when I was doing a test-bless for Helheim, I ended up having a couple 1-4 PD provinces repel actual raiding forces simply by virtue of the van commanders being absolute badasses.  Also luck, definitely luck.

[Frumple]

I've basically never had van commanders work out well, oddly enough. Tried a good handful of times, but they always seemed to either die or be useless faster than... many things, really. Never got around to trying to figure out why, I just ended up with the habit of avoiding the van nations... except midgard, anyway. Skinshifters are things of beauty, even if I could manage to leverage more or less nothing else in their kit.

[Kagus]

I'unno, I like 'em. But like most glamorous units, they're severely expensive...

With W9, they CANNOT BE HIT... You're looking at 23+ defense and blessed quickness on top of a free mirror image that gets a slight boost thanks to their skill in air. And if you've got E8, they're fatigue neutral except for the double-rounds.

The hersir have 2 attacks at 14 value and 12 strength (hersir also have the light lance, so they get to put those 39 movepoints {when bless-quickened} to use), so they're generally pretty competent at just smacking stuff around the old-fashioned way. The vanjarls, however, can just run around spamming leeching touch. If you're into that sort of thing, of course...

The most common thing that gets around their obscene defense values are projectiles, but, hey... All of the commander vanir can cast air shield.


And that's just the stuff they do bare-bones naked. Oh, did I mention that they all have glamour and thus are seriously stealthy, so they can form black ops squads behind enemy lines? Yeah. Also sailing and 16-17 MR.

They're fun enough when just thugging them out normally and sending them out along with the rest of the sacred stealthy cav, but considering you get one of them as the first commander in your PD... They're a really sweet deal.


I'm sure there are other, better ways of using them that I'm not privy to... But I certainly got good usage out of a water/earth bless.


All that aside, EA Helheim has brilliant corpse construct potential. You've got a dedicated A1D1 sacred caster at your home base, another mage with E2-3 for hammers and lightning rods, and plenty of air access for searching or even building storm staves, if you're into that.

[Anvilfolk]

So, what are the likely causes of EVERYONE becoming diseased?

[Nirur Torir]

I got a lucky hidden death site on a choke point.