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[Eddis]

I have some fat dwarves.

And by some, I actually mean the majority of my 132 little buggers 

My recently minted military is made up of sluggish oafs apparently. They dont move too well.

To rectify this I used the wiki suggestions on crosstraining (sweatshop pump operators), combined with setting a food and drink pile, and some private rooms to sleep right nearby. I didnt bother with burrows.

I am not 100% if my pumps are what is causing the loss in weight, or if it's the fact the food stockpile contains only Plump Helmets (my chef is quite far away and had been producing lavish meals lately).

Well, it's been about 30 minutes ingame RL time and I have finally seen an improvement. Endurance and strength are rising, and body fat is dropping (Corpulant to Very Fat, Very Fat to Fat, etc).

I set the military units to only Pump Operator in DTherapist, removed them from the squad as well so they would focus on getting fit.

Later I am going to work in a rotation where they spend time off duty and can maintain their shape while not guarding in the archer tower or my mass-pit. I'm also trying to use up all my prepared food stocks, and once that's done I will only produce the basic meals (biscuits IIRC).

Since I spent a while looking for this solution but didnt find it, I figured I'd put this down here for others with the same problem.

[pisskop]

I didnt realize well fed peasants in the 1300s was a problem

But do you know if they faster because they have less fat or simply more muscle?

[Eddis]

I didnt realize well fed peasants in the 1300s was a problem

But do you know if they faster because they have less fat or simply more muscle?

I would guess both are factors - but in the case of my military I'd definitely want both strong and fit bodies.

The workers can be as fat as they want them to be - there's no rush for them. They all have backups anyways 

[vanatteveldt]

I've never heard anyone complain about fat dwarfs, but I do know that skill increase and armor user skill can help a lot. Can someone confirm that fat affects combat/running performance in DF?

(IRL, sure you want fit soldiers, but I'd also like soldiers who can stay off the booze while on duty ;-) )

[Maw]

(IRL, sure you want fit soldiers, but I'd also like soldiers who can stay off the booze while on duty ;-) )

Ah, but in Dwarf Fortress the situation is reversed, a sober dwarf = a drunk human!

[Raphite1]

Fat dwarves are more resistant to damage.

Your results actually surprise me, though; I thought that dwarf fatness didn't actually vary over their lifetime yet.

[Eddis]

Fat dwarves are more resistant to damage.

Your results actually surprise me, though; I thought that dwarf fatness didn't actually vary over their lifetime yet.

Dunno, but I am tracking a control group.

Ex:

'R00' Kidetoddom Kilrudkutam, Captain:

Original profile > 2 years later

Corpulant > Incredibly Muscular
Very Agile > Extremely Agile
Strong > Mighty
Slow to tire > Slow to tire

Additionally he has gained:

Quite Durable

During this time he's been rotated via scheduling from on duty to off, typically eats Plump Helmets, drinks booze, has partaken in copious amounts of training and live target practice, and works out on the pumps when off duty.

I've checked all the other members of the control group and the only worry I have is the Extremely Thin member has not bulked up at all and is now the only slow-moving member of the group.

I'm not entirely sure if drinking booze will effect "dwarven" military performance.... 

[Matoro]

Are you sure that food has any effect? Somehow I can't believe that there is much differences between "raw food" and prepared food. I'll try this without changing the food and check if it will be as effective training as yours.

[Deepblade]

Fat affects the speed of a Dwarf. A fat civilian will haul things slower, and a fat Guard will do combat slower, until the next release where combat speed is split off. Generally guards have little trouble keeping the weight off if they're set to train. Weight gain caused by idle time, IIRC. Fat is a layer of protection, but if you burn it off in a controlled manner you'll make your dwarves harder to kill, and look at. I also founn this on the wiki.

Obese dwarves cause more CPU usage due to insulation calculations at maximum fatness. Bug:5971

I didn't realize well fed peasants in the 1300s was a problem
But do you know if they faster because they have less fat or simply more muscle?

I remember hearing somewhere that there were a lot of fat people during the great depression. History channel maybe.

[Telgin]

Your results actually surprise me, though; I thought that dwarf fatness didn't actually vary over their lifetime yet.

I'm pretty sure it does, but in my experience the changes are slow enough that it's hard to see.  I'm pretty sure I've had some fat creatures get fatter over a few game years.

I'm surprised that 30 game minutes is enough to see a tangible difference here.  I once set up a pump gym for my soldiers and had my fat duchess spend her free time in there to get in shape.  Her fatness level never went down by any amount I could see, even after a game year or so.  If I'd have known more about DFHack at the time, I probably could have gathered some more concrete data on it.

[pisskop]

Somebody needs to tracks the effects of starvation.  Animals without adequate pasture lose fat through even one winter.

[Lagslayer]

I suspect that dwarves put on fat when they eat certain things. Plants generally give slimmer dwarves.

They can still be very strong and fast in addition to being fat. And the fat itself is probably preferred, honestly. Making that tissue layer bigger makes it a bit harder to reach the vital organs (more muscle also does this), but the fat does slow them down a bit.

[Telgin]

I'm reasonably confident that the game doesn't make any distinction on a meal's caloric value, so plants probably give the same amount of fat as tallow roasts.  For now anyway. 

[Bludulukus]

Massive feasting and outrageous eating excess are a cherished part of dwarven culture.

Its not fat that my dwarves have, its dwarfy muscle

[Lagslayer]

I'm reasonably confident that the game doesn't make any distinction on a meal's caloric value, so plants probably give the same amount of fat as tallow roasts.  For now anyway. 

I think it's more of a distinction between "animal products" and "non-animal products". I only notice fat dwarves when my fortress has a booming hunting industry. Then again, my perceptions may have been inaccurate, as I didn't keep very stringent records on it.