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[vjmdhzgr]

ill just cut the spoiler and paste it somewhere ekse. It originally contained some crazy ramble that might have solved the whole thing, but, uh, as I said, might ruin the game.

The last thing this game needs is people holding back what might be the answer.

Yes

Alright, but as I said I feel like somebody suddenly just showing up and figuring it out would be pretty unsatisfying. Honestly I wouldn't even be satisfied. Nor do I know what happens when it's figured out. Like, do we win? Is winning something that can happen? I really don't know, I'll just copy what I said last night into a spoiler again because I feel like tired ramblings are fun to read. I don't know if anybody else holds that opinion, but for example a lot of things that Yagrum Bagarn said weren't very interesting, but then when he started rambling for three paragraphs or whatever, it was more interesting. Also it would probably be pretty difficult to explain it properly.

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So basically it was about how all the big important smart people have said that Michael is from here but also not except maybe that dwarf guy, but he can be wrong and maybe I'm wrong too. Then, I think maybe things about other versions of him there was some of that too, and Vivec said the thing that implied he has only existed for like a few minutes before talking to him, though there was also the different time thing too which he might have meant instead Quebec's pretty weird I tried reading his sermons one night really late ate like 12 PM too so there's just something with me and metaphysical swizzle swizzle when I should be sleeping. Where was I? Uh, so, basically I was thinking that Michael is the universe or made it or something so he's the only one that's really native to it. So then also I was thinking a bit more about Michael being real and the whole CHIM thing which based off of what Putnam said and how most of my knowledge about it was gained at 12 PM, I might not get it fully, but I was thinking that actually, the whole time Michael was LordBucket. Like, he's real and made everything, and alternate universe or something maybe, so then LordBucket one day got home from their liberal arts college and wanted to play Morrowind, but instead was like "what if I make a game abo it being a liberal arts student brony that plays Morrowind and is in it somehow and maybe some other crazy metaphysical stuff." So yeah lordbucket I FIGURED YOU OUT! It was all you the whole time! Hehehehehe, I have a feeling this would have taken there hours and made a lot more sense if I wasn't tired but instead it's half of one, and I am tired. Bye.

[WillowLuman]

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But LB's a bit old to be in college? Also, didn't Michael mention Manhattan?

[QuakeIV]

I'm not sure that solves the whole thing anyways, so you are probably fine.

[vjmdhzgr]

I guess as for what to do, Attempt to convince that guard to let you escort Discord to the prison instead, and ask him what this thing even is. Also obviously don't do this if everybody else suggests something else, from the 150 pages I've read I've learned you sometimes try to do too many suggestions at once.

[WillowLuman]

I guess as for what to do, Attempt to convince that guard to let you escort Discord to the prison instead, and ask him what this thing even is. Also obviously don't do this if everybody else suggests something else, from the 150 pages I've read I've learned you sometimes try to do too many suggestions at once.

Let's just stick with interrogation for now. We don't want to go chasing off to a new location unless we need to.

[vjmdhzgr]

I guess as for what to do, Attempt to convince that guard to let you escort Discord to the prison instead, and ask him what this thing even is. Also obviously don't do this if everybody else suggests something else, from the 150 pages I've read I've learned you sometimes try to do too many suggestions at once.

Let's just stick with interrogation for now. We don't want to go chasing off to a new location unless we need to.

Alright, that makes sense. +1

[IronyOwl]

Interrogate the prisoner, then get back to grinding, unless we get a shattering revelation. Of course, we need to know what to ask.

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I guess as for what to do, Attempt to convince that guard to let you escort Discord to the prison instead, and ask him what this thing even is. Also obviously don't do this if everybody else suggests something else, from the 150 pages I've read I've learned you sometimes try to do too many suggestions at once.

Let's just stick with interrogation for now. We don't want to go chasing off to a new location unless we need to.

Alright, that makes sense. +1

For what purpose, though? I feel like sort of aimlessly following whatever's in front of us is part of why we're in this mess in the first place, and interrogating someone we don't even know what we want to learn from sounds like a pretty textbook example of aimlessly following whatever's in front of us.

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So basically it was about how all the big important smart people have said that Michael is from here but also not except maybe that dwarf guy, but he can be wrong and maybe I'm wrong too. Then, I think maybe things about other versions of him there was some of that too, and Vivec said the thing that implied he has only existed for like a few minutes before talking to him, though there was also the different time thing too which he might have meant instead Quebec's pretty weird I tried reading his sermons one night really late ate like 12 PM too so there's just something with me and metaphysical swizzle swizzle when I should be sleeping. Where was I? Uh, so, basically I was thinking that Michael is the universe or made it or something so he's the only one that's really native to it. So then also I was thinking a bit more about Michael being real and the whole CHIM thing which based off of what Putnam said and how most of my knowledge about it was gained at 12 PM, I might not get it fully, but I was thinking that actually, the whole time Michael was LordBucket. Like, he's real and made everything, and alternate universe or something maybe, so then LordBucket one day got home from their liberal arts college and wanted to play Morrowind, but instead was like "what if I make a game abo it being a liberal arts student brony that plays Morrowind and is in it somehow and maybe some other crazy metaphysical stuff." So yeah lordbucket I FIGURED YOU OUT! It was all you the whole time! Hehehehehe, I have a feeling this would have taken there hours and made a lot more sense if I wasn't tired but instead it's half of one, and I am tired. Bye.

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Maybe. But, assuming this is all true, what should we be doing about it? Finding Luna like I'd argue we should be doing anyway? CHIMing ourselves out like we've already tried before? Alerting Michael to this possibility and... telling him to see if he can do anything with it?

[WillowLuman]

Interrogate the prisoner, then get back to grinding, unless we get a shattering revelation. Of course, we need to know what to ask.

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I guess as for what to do, Attempt to convince that guard to let you escort Discord to the prison instead, and ask him what this thing even is. Also obviously don't do this if everybody else suggests something else, from the 150 pages I've read I've learned you sometimes try to do too many suggestions at once.

Let's just stick with interrogation for now. We don't want to go chasing off to a new location unless we need to.

Alright, that makes sense. +1

For what purpose, though? I feel like sort of aimlessly following whatever's in front of us is part of why we're in this mess in the first place, and interrogating someone we don't even know what we want to learn from sounds like a pretty textbook example of aimlessly following whatever's in front of us.

Nothing wrong with asking a few questions while we have the opportunity. Notice I argued against asking to escort the prisoner instead of the other guard. We just need to ask a few questions, no need to go charging off in a new direction.

[LordBucket]

What questions? And do you expect the guard to just stand there and let you interrogate his prisoner that he's just told to shut up and get onto the transport?

: "At your service. And you are?"

: "Enough. Onto the transport, outlander."

Think it might be time to end this and go to MST3K.

[Dermonster]

Yeah MSTK3 seems like a good option now.

I don't think anyone ever really understood anything that was happening and I cast sincere doubt on the laughable insinuation that anyone ever actually did for even a single moment.

[WillowLuman]

Yeah, I couldn't think of any questions for months. Just seemed like that was what we were supposed to do.

Well, I'd feel disappointed to "give up" but it does seem like there's not much more intertia. Put it to a vote?

[QuakeIV]

I have been meaning to do a re-read to come up with a reasonable plan but never really got around to it.

I think the issue this game had was it was built like an unusually well written single player campaign, but was played by an absolute democracy consisting of randoms from the internet.  I tend to maintain that those don't produce intelligent decisions unless you rather generously filter and interpret their commands.

I'm not sure that solves the whole thing anyways, so you are probably fine.

In retrospect this comes off as dickish, I apologize.

[IronyOwl]

Yeah, I couldn't think of any questions for months. Just seemed like that was what we were supposed to do.

Which is exactly my problem.

"There's Discord, let's ask him stuff!"
"What stuff?"
"I dunno, but we should ask him about it!"
*Two years of wandering in circles*

Starting with the action and then figuring out the motive tends to not be very productive, as I would argue we've seen over and over and over again.

Well, I'd feel disappointed to "give up" but it does seem like there's not much more intertia. Put it to a vote?

I'd feel bad too, but if we have a clear path to winning or doing much of anything we want to do, I don't really see it. Finding and spilling to the first non-Discord PC we find is the closest I can figure, and even that's a crapshoot to even start, let alone get good results out of. The other main alternative I see would be forcing LB to grind for us for ages, which sounds like a lot of effort for not necessarily leading anywhere.

I think the issue this game had was it was built like an unusually well written single player campaign, but was played by an absolute democracy consisting of randoms from the internet.  I tend to maintain that those don't produce intelligent decisions unless you rather generously filter and interpret their commands.

I don't think the intelligence thing was every really in question, but I think lack of consistency and coherent purpose may have been a bigger factor here. If we'd picked any one dumb thing and stuck with it, we might have managed to blunder somewhere. Instead we ended up reasonably scatterbrained simply on account of different people wandering in and out to vote, and the same people we did have changing their minds and forgetting about things. The results had some advantages but a bad tendency to never really go anywhere.

As an example, suppose we'd accepted the Sleeper's offer and been carried off to Dagoth Ur so we could join him and take over the world or something. Probably not the smartest decision, but it'd certainly have led somewhere, right? Not necessarily anywhere good, but somewhere.

[LordBucket]

suppose we'd accepted the Sleeper's offer and been carried off to Dagoth Ur so we could join him and take over the world or something.
Probably not the smartest decision, but it'd certainly have led somewhere, right? Not necessarily anywhere good, but somewhere.

I was actually very curious to see if that conversation would ever take place. Dagoth Ur was really very eager to speak with you.

[WillowLuman]

And I'd been really wanting that conversation for the whole game.