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[Dirst]

So... looking at the Modest Mod thread, & as a result the Phoebus tileset thread, I gather Phoebus alters more than just the graphics (I've been using it since approximately my 3rd game of DF2010, because whatever I'd been using before that [Mayday?] apparently added extra cooking recipes).

As such, may I ask which Starter Pack tileset(s) change(s) only the graphics? or at least make the fewest extra changes?

Default ASCII.

[lethosor]

So... looking at the Modest Mod thread, & as a result the Phoebus tileset thread, I gather Phoebus alters more than just the graphics (I've been using it since approximately my 3rd game of DF2010, because whatever I'd been using before that [Mayday?] apparently added extra cooking recipes).

As such, may I ask which Starter Pack tileset(s) change(s) only the graphics? or at least make the fewest extra changes?

Default ASCII.

JAFANZ was asking which tilesets change graphics and nothing else, not which tilesets don't change graphics.

JAFANZ - you'd probably have the best luck with one of these, which only need to be dropped into data/art and don't require any raw changes. A lot of full graphics sets do change raws to use a few tiles for different purposes, but I'm not familiar with which ones do what.

yes
Edit: I think my drivers are toooo much updated and df can't handle the new versions I dunno.

Well, if it only occurs with TwbT it's almost certainly a TwbT issue, not a DF issue (although as was mentioned above, it could be that the method used for caching tiles can handle the number of tiles/textures ordinarily used by DF but not by TwbT).

[mifki]

yes
Edit: I think my drivers are toooo much updated and df can't handle the new versions I dunno.

Does it give this error with any tileset?

[PeridexisErrant]

Which Starter Pack tileset(s) change(s) only the graphics? or at least make the fewest extra changes?

Default ASCII.

JAFANZ was asking which tilesets change graphics and nothing else, not which tilesets don't change graphics.  A lot of full graphics sets do change raws to use a few tiles for different purposes, but I'm not familiar with which ones do what.

The easiest way to check is to look in "LNP/Graphics/<pack>/raw/objects/".  Since files identical to vanilla are not stored, if it's empty you can be sure there's no game-affecting changes. 

In general:  ASCII, CLA, and Gemset are fine; I'm not sure about Ironhand and Mayday; and the others are based on Phoebus' modified raws.  This is nothing to worry about for normal play, but may help with mod compatibility - though I wouldn't expect any to break mods.

[JAFANZ]

Much appreciated PeridexisErrant, also thank you for continuing to maintain the LNP, I've been using yours as long as I've been aware of it.

[pondicherry]

yes
Edit: I think my drivers are toooo much updated and df can't handle the new versions I dunno.

Does it give this error with any tileset?

Thank you for helping.
And yes with any tileset.

[NW_Kohaku]

So... looking at the Modest Mod thread, & as a result the Phoebus tileset thread, I gather Phoebus alters more than just the graphics (I've been using it since approximately my 3rd game of DF2010, because whatever I'd been using before that [Mayday?] apparently added extra cooking recipes).

As such, may I ask which Starter Pack tileset(s) change(s) only the graphics? or at least make the fewest extra changes?

Phoebus alters the language files to remove accented characters (as this frees up characters to use for things like stone wall types), changes a lot of creature and stone tiles to fit in with their tilesets and such, but as far as I know, that is as far as the alterations go. 

Anything that adds in cooking recipes is probably a mod that happens to package in a tileset with them, not simply the tileset, itself. 

[JAFANZ]

So... looking at the Modest Mod thread, & as a result the Phoebus tileset thread, I gather Phoebus alters more than just the graphics (I've been using it since approximately my 3rd game of DF2010, because whatever I'd been using before that [Mayday?] apparently added extra cooking recipes).

As such, may I ask which Starter Pack tileset(s) change(s) only the graphics? or at least make the fewest extra changes?

Phoebus alters the language files to remove accented characters (as this frees up characters to use for things like stone wall types), changes a lot of creature and stone tiles to fit in with their tilesets and such, but as far as I know, that is as far as the alterations go.

I see.

Thank you.

Anything that adds in cooking recipes is probably a mod that happens to package in a tileset with them, not simply the tileset, itself.

Well this is going back to 2010 (or possibly 2011), when I was first getting into DF, & had just migrated from the 40d the tutorial that originally gotten me into DF used, so my recollection of event is a tad hazy, but I think I would've got the packs from the DFFD & installed them directly myself 'cos I doubt I was aware of the LNP (or it's predecessor?) at that point.

[PeridexisErrant]

Anything that adds in cooking recipes is probably a mod that happens to package in a tileset with them, not simply the tileset, itself.

Well this is going back to 2010 (or possibly 2011), when I was first getting into DF, & had just migrated from the 40d the tutorial that originally gotten me into DF used, so my recollection of event is a tad hazy, but I think I would've got the packs from the DFFD & installed them directly myself 'cos I doubt I was aware of the LNP (or it's predecessor?) at that point.

...That would be useful info at the start of this process    Old and self-installed stuff can be interestingly weird in all kinds of ways, and way harder to debug for both the obvious and other reasons.

[JAFANZ]

...That would be useful info at the start of this process    Old and self-installed stuff can be interestingly weird in all kinds of ways, and way harder to debug for both the obvious and other reasons.

To clarify, as I believe I originally mentioned, I started using Phoebus back when I first got into DF2010, because whatever I'd tried before that added recipes (&/or did something else that cause worlds generated to differ from expectations when using settings from the then current worldgen thread), my question in this thread was because ~10 minutes earlier than my post asking the question I'd discovered Phoebus apparently changed a bunch of things, & my admittedly unstated assumption was that that could have an impact on world & embark generation.

My mentioning of my memories being hazy was in the context of explaining that what I remembered of whichever tileset had led to me adopting Phoebus' didn't necessarily apply to current versions of whichever tileset that was (& also why I'm not sure which one it was).

I wasn't asking for debug help with the old version, just advice (which you provided) as to where I should go with my current installation of your current version (which I did a clean install of).

[pondicherry]

no solution for me ... I see. I guess I'll have to wait, and hope for the best.

[mifki]

no solution for me ... I see. I guess I'll have to wait, and hope for the best.

Sorry. I had no reports like yours before. Don't know what can cause this.

[pondicherry]

The problem mifki is that I love your TWBT ( is just great)
I'll play with 2D printmode.
Thank you anyway.

[herocrafter]

Fixster is writing many red lines of text instead of just a white # of animals fixed.  Anyone else have this?


This is the dfhack output:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[lethosor]

Are you trying to modify zombies or other unusual creatures?

(Also, you can copy and paste text directly from the DFHack console instead of taking a screenshot. There should be a menu accessible in the title bar - look for "Mark" to highlight text. You could probably also copy that from the end of stderr.log.)

Edit: It's also a better idea to post problems with things included in DFHack in the DFHack thread, so more DFHack maintainers notice them.