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[notquitethere]

"That's a interesting proposition Shinigami-Heika-- you truly are the king of claims. But riddle me this: if we help you, what's to stop the rest of town from just lynching us? I'm not afraid of your petty night kills. Go ahead and try it: I need town boys alive!"

[Leafsnail]

Shinigami_King: no.  I need the town's co-operation to win.  If I co-operate with the scum there is no way to get that and thus no way to win.

In addition, I don't believe your claim about your nightkill at all.  Assuming one person was busy with the nightkill on night one, you could've sent out your other two members to find out two house numbers on that night.  You could then triple or at least double kill night 2.  Yet you didn't.  I seriously doubt that Toony would be in a mechanic that effectively gives the mafia as many kills as it has members, and which can be deferred in order to totally bust lylo.

[Leafsnail]

Your offer would be possibly acceptable if your team had some kind of redirector ability, but from the fact you haven't said so I'm guessing it doesn't.

[griffinpup]

No comment about a joker?

[Tiruin]

...Some of you should think for a minute...

"Hm, intuition speaks. Firstly, I was thinking S_K was setting up some kind of ploy though. Like, something bad going off if he gets lynched (but the only way his intention would be for that is him being scummy scum scum or a third party who is really a jerk.)"

Your offer would be possibly acceptable if your team had some kind of redirector ability, but from the fact you haven't said so I'm guessing it doesn't.

"Leafsnail, under what case would you go along with the obvious scum claim? Why a redirector?"

No comment about a joker?

"That would be stupid and dumb. And very irrational. I don't like it."

[birdy51]

Well now... I'll need some time to figure out what the hell brought this on.

[Tiruin]

...There's a reason? I looked back and reread, and it just jumped out of the blue. No lead up, really. :/

Although, it also has no context but the threat of the NK.

[Leafsnail]

I don't see why he'd wait till this point if he is a joker.

"Leafsnail, under what case would you go along with the obvious scum claim? Why a redirector?"

If scum could help me fulfill my win condition by allowing me to meet a town boy (eg, through use of a redirector), then it would be a reasonable offer.  However, they almost certainly don't, so I need town co-operation in order to win.

Incidentally, does anyone know Shinigami_King's number?

[Tiruin]

I know nobody's number >.>

"Leafsnail, under what case would you go along with the obvious scum claim? Why a redirector?"

If scum could help me fulfill my win condition by allowing me to meet a town boy (eg, through use of a redirector), then it would be a reasonable offer.  However, they almost certainly don't, so I need town co-operation in order to win.

"That'd be simply astounding. First, you'd have to know where they live. Second, you have to know their alignment. Third, you'd have to know who I'm protecting because damned will I be if scum ever touch ye target.

"Guess what. If scum all get out of here, we'd still be alive. We'd all win together as nothing hinders our wincon."

[Leafsnail]

I'm pretty sure the game would end with the death of all scum.

[ToonyMan]

I'm pretty sure the game would end with the death of all scum.

Hypothetically, if the mafia were to all die right now due to some bizarre natural disaster the town would fulfill their wincon and leave the game, and the game would probably end, yes.

[Leafsnail]

Right and even if it didn't there'd be no townies so I couldn't win.

[Toaster]

Shinigami_King  (Claimed Scum)

Captain Ford (In the sky)

Notquitethere  (This group called out by S_K)
Leafsnail     
Deathsword
Tiruin

Toaster  (Is me and town)

Griffion
Dariush  [Claimed Town male]
Zombie Urist
Birdy51


***If*** we are willing to believe S_K, that really narrows down our potential scum team to the last four.  Am I missing any claims by them?


Also if town could no longer win, the game would likely win under the "Win when they cannot lose" part of their wincon, so trusting him on that part is silly.

[Teneb]

I believe there is one little problem with Shinigami's claim that they knows our numbers: it's a lie. An ability to kill everyone in houses you know the numbers is horribly overpowered. I doubt he is a joker, or he'd have done far scummier stuff earlier. And in the end he is not town, so we have nothing to lose with him being lynched.

Also ninja'd. I was going to make a list like that.

[Tiruin]

Captain Ford (In the sky)

Buddy bro there is a discarded and separated notion, huh. How do you know he's in the Sky right Now?

Right and even if it didn't there'd be no townies so I couldn't win.

What. Really now? No townies, huh.

Toony: Did we do something wrong @ you? :/

PPE:
"I wouldn't discard that notion, however as I've something which could..err, poke on that notion that doesn't make it truly false. Also, Lenglon. Still, I believe the best way is to group up in a house (preferably with me because I've got a nice treat) and fortify that place up.

"And you also discard the notion of Ford being scum, huh. Because of what?"