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Re: Roll to Deity Maingame [Session 1, waitlist open!]
« Reply #120 on: April 09, 2013, 08:42:48 pm »

It makes the place unique. I for one am for this proposition. I suggest that we eventually set this up as a sort of meeting place of the deities. We could put populations of our patron races on the planet, as a sort of embassy.

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Re: Roll to Deity Maingame [Session 1, waitlist open!]
« Reply #121 on: April 09, 2013, 08:47:19 pm »

No, the moons are WHERE we can do anything, not WHAT we can do anything to.
I don't see how the first doesn't cause the second. how do you draw the line between the where and the what? could you give an example of something you couldn't do under where but can under what?

(i am being slowly convinced this is a good idea, it just worries me. i hope I'm not bothering you too much asking for these justifications. i figured you'd prefer it over a no vote with no explanation.)
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Re: Roll to Deity Maingame [Session 1, waitlist open!]
« Reply #122 on: April 09, 2013, 08:48:35 pm »

No, the moons are WHERE we can do anything, not WHAT we can do anything to.
I don't see how the first doesn't cause the second. how do you draw the line between the where and the what? could you give an example of something you couldn't do under where but can under what?
(i am being slowly convinced this is a good idea, it just worries me. i hope I'm not bothering you too much asking for these justifications. i figured you'd prefer it over a no vote with no explanation.)
(Indeed I would.)
Common sense and MAD.
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Re: Roll to Deity Maingame [Session 1, waitlist open!]
« Reply #123 on: April 09, 2013, 09:04:04 pm »

No, the moons are WHERE we can do anything, not WHAT we can do anything to.
I don't see how the first doesn't cause the second. how do you draw the line between the where and the what? could you give an example of something you couldn't do under where but can under what?
(i am being slowly convinced this is a good idea, it just worries me. i hope I'm not bothering you too much asking for these justifications. i figured you'd prefer it over a no vote with no explanation.)
(Indeed I would.)
Common sense and MAD.
uh, i dont understand what Common Sense (either a concept or an ancient phmphlet, not an action), and Mutually Assured Destruction (again, a concept, not an action) have to do with the topic.

Are you saying the way to tell them apart is common sense (if so, apparently i don't have it, what with the question i just asked), and things will be prevented from getting out of hand via Mutually Assured Destruction?

... i dont like it, i dont think you have enough safeguards, but... well, if it becomes a problem we'll just petition for removal of the things i suppose, as you said earlier when i gave that death star example.

you'll get my vote when your idea comes up.
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Re: Roll to Deity Maingame [Session 1, waitlist open!]
« Reply #124 on: April 09, 2013, 09:07:21 pm »

Since the Gaiaweapon petition said 'Champions', they can only be used by loyal NPCs and not the avatars themselves.  This will make thing more interesting if your zealot gets assassinated and the Weapons fall into the hand of evil.

Also I'll roll the petition soon after I can get on my PC.
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Re: Roll to Deity Maingame [Session 1, waitlist open!]
« Reply #125 on: April 09, 2013, 09:17:30 pm »

No, the moons are WHERE we can do anything, not WHAT we can do anything to.
I don't see how the first doesn't cause the second. how do you draw the line between the where and the what? could you give an example of something you couldn't do under where but can under what?
(i am being slowly convinced this is a good idea, it just worries me. i hope I'm not bothering you too much asking for these justifications. i figured you'd prefer it over a no vote with no explanation.)
(Indeed I would.)
Common sense and MAD.
uh, i dont understand what Common Sense (either a concept or an ancient phmphlet, not an action), and Mutually Assured Destruction (again, a concept, not an action) have to do with the topic.
Are you saying the way to tell them apart is common sense (if so, apparently i don't have it, what with the question i just asked), and things will be prevented from getting out of hand via Mutually Assured Destruction?
Essentially.

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... i dont like it, i dont think you have enough safeguards, but... well, if it becomes a problem we'll just petition for removal of the things i suppose, as you said earlier when i gave that death star example.
And ideally by then someone will have come up with a good way to remove some of those loopholes.
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Re: Roll to Deity Maingame [Session 1, waitlist open!]
« Reply #126 on: April 09, 2013, 09:53:02 pm »

... i still want an example of something you couldn't do. because i'm quite certain with a little creativity the separation between where and what can be ignored.

for example, lets say you ban making the moon into a death star, because you're changing what the moon is, not stuff where the moon is.
so you instead add an imperial army to your moon. you give that army death star plans. you give them... motivation... you make sure your moon has the materials they need. then you hyper-accelerate time on your moon.
you have a death star.

that's why i don't think that limit will do anything, and i was kinda offended that you blew off my question with a simple "it's common sense". if it really were common sense i wouldn't be asking the question.

MAD is applicable, and what finally swayed me, although keep in mind that boredom is likely to negate the effectiveness of MAD.
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Re: Roll to Deity Maingame [Session 1, waitlist open!]
« Reply #127 on: April 09, 2013, 09:58:35 pm »

... i still want an example of something you couldn't do. because i'm quite certain with a little creativity the separation between where and what can be ignored.
Something/Anything that affects another world. That's the idea, at least.

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that's why i don't think that limit will do anything, and i was kinda offended that you blew off my question with a simple "it's common sense". if it really were common sense i wouldn't be asking the question.
You misinterpreted my answer. I meant that common sense would be used to determine the answer in each case.

The biggest problem is that the issue you bring up is fundamentally one of loopholes; "How do I make something I want to happen happen elsewhere without changing anything there?" There's no single answer that stops all issues.
Another problem is, of course, that any avatars or other things we can directly change/add to have this same fundamental problem.
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« Reply #128 on: April 09, 2013, 10:09:10 pm »

Another problem is, of course, that any avatars or other things we can directly change/add to have this same fundamental problem.
... i am not aware of us being able to directly modify our avatars at will. each avatar specified so far has had specific abilities and limits included, with the implied limit of anything not listed not being available. have i missed something?
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Re: Roll to Deity Maingame [Session 1, waitlist open!]
« Reply #129 on: April 09, 2013, 10:12:10 pm »

Another problem is, of course, that any avatars or other things we can directly change/add to have this same fundamental problem.
... i am not aware of us being able to directly modify our avatars at will. each avatar specified so far has had specific abilities and limits included, with the implied limit of anything not listed not being available. have i missed something?
People claiming that the moons would just be planet-avatars made me think there was some clause that let us change our avatars.
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« Reply #130 on: April 09, 2013, 10:25:17 pm »

Minor modifications to avatars are fine. By minor I mean anything that doesn't directly change the avatar's power and form.
Also Remuthra, you can use your avatar to do things without waiting, but then again there isn't much to do right now.

Eotyrannus' Petition Roll!

Everyone gets to choose a trademark food! I get the power of SPICY CHICKEN WINGS.

Agree: 2d6
Disagree: 8d6

Result

Agree: 7
Disagree: 41

This petition is denied

Turn 5: Beginning Game: Next Petition: Personal Moons

There should be a a moon around the main planet for each god (ie player). Each god's moon is their own territory; no one else is allowed to mess with them.

Agree: GreatWyrmGold
Disagree: ?
Undecided (Neutral) : Others

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Petitions on queue


  • Remuthra: Create a solar system (details in spoiler)
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  • GreatWyrmGold: Create another rocky world. It has an unusually high concentration of carbon and lithium in the rocks.
  • jaass: Create a Liveable planet with complete alien life compared to Earth.
  • Skel: Add dirt, plants, and other nutrients to the planet. (jaass' planet I assume?)
  • Eotyrannus: Make the Ten Gaiaweapons of the First. Yadda yadda read the spoilers.
    Spoiler (click to show/hide)
  • kj1125: Create a large Pangaea like mas of land on our first planet.
  • scapheap: create myself an Avatar. Humanoid shapeshifter. Stay at 6 foot tall and humanoid, but otherwise unlimited in shapeshifting.
  • Kansa: Create avatar, a mind-controlling sword of darkness that instakill all creatures.
    Spoiler (click to show/hide)
  • Lenglon: Create avatar, I want my avatar to be a highly limited shapechanger, with single-element elemental manipulation, limited information, and an integrated respawn mechanic that resets it upon death but saves me having to petition for a new avatar every time.
    Spoiler: Details (Long) (click to show/hide)
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Re: Roll to Deity Maingame [Session 1, waitlist open!]
« Reply #131 on: April 09, 2013, 10:35:25 pm »

What are the penalties for said messing?
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Re: Roll to Deity Maingame [Session 1, waitlist open!]
« Reply #132 on: April 10, 2013, 12:07:39 am »

I'm assuming you simply cannot have an avatar access the area without permission, nor use powers inside the area without permission. whereas the owner can cause changes at that location at will, without a petition.

Agree - requesting the option to place the spawn point of my moon, or in this case (since there isn't a spawn point i like in existence yet) wait to spawn it until later

reminder ->
I thought you meant each of us on our own planets, since we don't have a shared one right now.

Petition: make a shared world connected to any personalized domains we may or may not have.
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« Reply #133 on: April 10, 2013, 12:16:30 am »

Disagree.
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Re: Roll to Deity Maingame [Session 1: 9/10 players]
« Reply #134 on: April 10, 2013, 12:37:29 am »

I don't think that is possible. The petition states that the moons will orbit the unnamed first planet (Which I personally dubbed Genesis)
It's minor details, though. You could just ask somebody with a potent avatar (I assume Remuthra's avatar probably have enough mind-power to nudge planets. Then again I don't really know the scale of the throne. I think I forgot to ask that really.

Also remember that Planet 1 is uninhabitable. The water is lifeless, and the universe will continue to be without life until a planet that is clearly habitable is created. (Which several petitions have already requested)

GreatWyrmGold's Petition: Personal Moons

There should be a a moon around the main planet for each god (ie player). Each god's moon is their own territory; no one else is allowed to mess with them.

Agree: GreatWyrmGold, Lenglon
Disagree: Skel
Undecided (Neutral) : Others

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Petitions on queue


  • Remuthra: Create a solar system (details in spoiler)
    Spoiler (click to show/hide)
  • GreatWyrmGold: Create another rocky world. It has an unusually high concentration of carbon and lithium in the rocks.
  • jaass: Create a Liveable planet with complete alien life compared to Earth.
  • Skel: Add dirt, plants, and other nutrients to the planet. (jaass' planet I assume?)
  • Eotyrannus: Make the Ten Gaiaweapons of the First. Yadda yadda read the spoilers.
    Spoiler (click to show/hide)
  • kj1125: Create a large Pangaea like mas of land on our first planet.
  • scapheap: create myself an Avatar. Humanoid shapeshifter. Stay at 6 foot tall and humanoid, but otherwise unlimited in shapeshifting.
  • Kansa: Create avatar, a mind-controlling sword of darkness that instakill all creatures.
    Spoiler (click to show/hide)
  • Lenglon: Create avatar, I want my avatar to be a highly limited shapechanger, with single-element elemental manipulation, limited information, and an integrated respawn mechanic that resets it upon death but saves me having to petition for a new avatar every time.
    Spoiler: Details (Long) (click to show/hide)

[li]Lenglon: make a shared world connected to any personalized domains we may or may not have.



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