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[Tomcost]

The thing is, it's one of the world's biggest dick-waving contests over a piece of land that nobody really fucking wants, unless there's a significant economic need for fish, squid and bird poop.

Argentinian here.

Don't pay attention to the claim. It is just politically correct to have a claim over them, because of some nationalistic bullshit against colonialism, the British pirates, and capitalism that the previous government left in the country. And this new government won't press the issue much more, it actually wants to make some friend with the world (and pretend that Argentina's affair with Venezuela never happened).

[Dorsidwarf]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/12079614/Argentinas-new-government-says-it-will-press-claims-to-Falkland-Islands.html

The refalkening will begin

Don't they need to have a claim to the Falkland Islands before they can press it?

Imperialist pig! Malvinas have always been Argentine! Why else would God have placed them right next to Argentina?? (And by right next to, I mean 300 miles away)


As far as I can tell, their claim goes back to de facto Spanish control of the islands from 1774 to 1811, when the British withdrew but left behind a plaque and flag basically saying "Ha! we still have a core on these islands, suckers". When Spain lost Argentina to revolution in 1811, the Spanish did the same thing, leaving a plaque that said the islands were still Spanish.

In 1820, an Argentine naval vessel wrecked on the islands and the survivors set up a flag and plaque themselves and claimed the islands for Argentina, then promptly got picked up and left the island.

In the late 1820's, the Brits and Argentines both tried colonizing the islands and by 1831, one of the Argentine expeditions had actually survived long enough to call it a colony, which was promptly sacked by a British frigate and declared res nullius. The Argentines rebuilt the colony, there was a mutiny, and the British showed up with a warship and demanded the new colony governor change out the Argentine flag for a British one (at gunpoint).

Been British ever since.

So....it's a legit dispute, imho. I don't think you can argue that leaving a plaque and a flag constitutes de jure ownership, nor does gunboat diplomacy.

The thing is, it's one of the world's biggest dick-waving contests over a piece of land that nobody really fucking wants, unless there's a significant economic need for fish, squid and bird poop.

Even in CK2, 170 years of occupation will make a territory de jure

[Morrigi]

wtf Germany http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/01/04/world/europe/ap-eu-germany-sex-assaults.html?_r=1

[RedKing]

wtf Germany http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/01/04/world/europe/ap-eu-germany-sex-assaults.html?_r=1

o hai six posts ago

[Morrigi]

wtf Germany http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/01/04/world/europe/ap-eu-germany-sex-assaults.html?_r=1

o hai six posts ago

Oops. Still, wtf Germany. Also, apparently the story is being actively censored on Reddit. No surprises there.

[Bohandas]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/12079614/Argentinas-new-government-says-it-will-press-claims-to-Falkland-Islands.html

The refalkening will begin

Don't they need to have a claim to the Falkland Islands before they can press it?

Imperialist pig! Malvinas have always been Argentine! Why else would God have placed them right next to Argentina?? (And by right next to, I mean 300 miles away)


As far as I can tell, their claim goes back to de facto Spanish control of the islands from 1774 to 1811, when the British withdrew but left behind a plaque and flag basically saying "Ha! we still have a core on these islands, suckers". When Spain lost Argentina to revolution in 1811, the Spanish did the same thing, leaving a plaque that said the islands were still Spanish.

In 1820, an Argentine naval vessel wrecked on the islands and the survivors set up a flag and plaque themselves and claimed the islands for Argentina, then promptly got picked up and left the island.

In the late 1820's, the Brits and Argentines both tried colonizing the islands and by 1831, one of the Argentine expeditions had actually survived long enough to call it a colony, which was promptly sacked by a British frigate and declared res nullius. The Argentines rebuilt the colony, there was a mutiny, and the British showed up with a warship and demanded the new colony governor change out the Argentine flag for a British one (at gunpoint).

Been British ever since.

So then they have a claim, but it's ridiculously outdated and obsolete.

[RedKing]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/12079614/Argentinas-new-government-says-it-will-press-claims-to-Falkland-Islands.html

The refalkening will begin

Don't they need to have a claim to the Falkland Islands before they can press it?

Imperialist pig! Malvinas have always been Argentine! Why else would God have placed them right next to Argentina?? (And by right next to, I mean 300 miles away)


As far as I can tell, their claim goes back to de facto Spanish control of the islands from 1774 to 1811, when the British withdrew but left behind a plaque and flag basically saying "Ha! we still have a core on these islands, suckers". When Spain lost Argentina to revolution in 1811, the Spanish did the same thing, leaving a plaque that said the islands were still Spanish.

In 1820, an Argentine naval vessel wrecked on the islands and the survivors set up a flag and plaque themselves and claimed the islands for Argentina, then promptly got picked up and left the island.

In the late 1820's, the Brits and Argentines both tried colonizing the islands and by 1831, one of the Argentine expeditions had actually survived long enough to call it a colony, which was promptly sacked by a British frigate and declared res nullius. The Argentines rebuilt the colony, there was a mutiny, and the British showed up with a warship and demanded the new colony governor change out the Argentine flag for a British one (at gunpoint).

Been British ever since.

So then they have a claim, but it's ridiculously outdated and obsolete.

Aren't most territorial claims in dispute? (*cough* Israel *cough*)

[mainiac]

Depends on how you define in dispute and most and claims and territory.

[RedKing]

Depends on how you define in dispute and most and claims and territory.

And define. And on. And how.

[Bouchart]

Just saber-rattling to distract from all of Argentina's internal problems.  Runaway inflation, debt and currency controls prop up there every decade or so.

[GiglameshDespair]

Just saber-rattling to distract from all of Argentina's internal problems.  Runaway inflation, debt and currency controls prop up there every decade or so.

Well, a nice little war to build up nationalistic sentiment was a rather large motivator for the Argentines first go, far as I know.

[Egan_BW]

Depends on how you define in dispute and most and claims and territory.

And define. And on. And how.

And and.

[nenjin]

Might as well do "is", just for good measure.

[Helgoland]

wtf Germany http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/01/04/world/europe/ap-eu-germany-sex-assaults.html?_r=1

o hai six posts ago

Oops. Still, wtf Germany. Also, apparently the story is being actively censored on Reddit. No surprises there.

That article says that just one rape charge has been filed, and merely around sixty 'criminal complaints'.
Additionally I'd like to remark that I live very close to Cologne - hell, I passed through that train station yesterday and will do so again in two days - and I've only heard one radio report mention it.

TL;DR: It's a bad thing, but not that big a deal.

[Tomcost]

Just saber-rattling to distract from all of Argentina's internal problems.  Runaway inflation, debt and currency controls prop up there every decade or so.

Well, a nice little war to build up nationalistic sentiment was a rather large motivator for the Argentines first go, far as I know.

It was more like a war to distract the population from the incoming economic crisis after the de facto goverment screwed things up.