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[Loud Whispers]

-1    was at war
-5    has casus belli
-15  has claim
-20  allied to rival
-32  They desire your provinces (Falkland Islands, South Georgia Islands, South Sandwich Islands, Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan de Cunha)

[ChairmanPoo]

Yeah, but it's also the biggest country in Europe. Sweden has been taking much more per capita, and for longer.

In population. In raw square meters Germany comes third.

[SaberToothTiger]

Raw square meters don't mean shizizzles. If they did, Greenland would be a very important nation.

[ChairmanPoo]

They're good if you intend to shove people inside.

Granted, shoving people inside Greenland's square meters without heavy investment on infrastructure likely qualifies as a war crime.

[RedKing]

Falklands 2: Electric Boogaloo
Second war, same as before!

[Sheb]

They're good if you intend to shove people inside.

Granted, shoving people inside Greenland's square meters without heavy investment on infrastructure likely qualifies as a war crime.

Given that most people are city-dwellers rather than sustenance farmers nowadays, not so much.

[RedKing]

They're good if you intend to shove people inside.

Granted, shoving people inside Greenland's square meters without heavy investment on infrastructure likely qualifies as a war crime.

Given that most people are city-dwellers rather than sustenance farmers nowadays, not so much.

Given that this is what passes for a Greenlandic metropolis...

Spoiler: It looks like a town you might see on a model railroad kit... (click to show/hide)

[Bohandas]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/12079614/Argentinas-new-government-says-it-will-press-claims-to-Falkland-Islands.html

The refalkening will begin

Don't they need to have a claim to the Falkland Islands before they can press it?

[Sergarr]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/12079614/Argentinas-new-government-says-it-will-press-claims-to-Falkland-Islands.html

The refalkening will begin

Don't they need to have a claim to the Falkland Islands before they can press it?

Forging a claim is a fairly easy task, both in game and in reality.

[RedKing]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/12079614/Argentinas-new-government-says-it-will-press-claims-to-Falkland-Islands.html

The refalkening will begin

Don't they need to have a claim to the Falkland Islands before they can press it?

Imperialist pig! Malvinas have always been Argentine! Why else would God have placed them right next to Argentina?? (And by right next to, I mean 300 miles away)


As far as I can tell, their claim goes back to de facto Spanish control of the islands from 1774 to 1811, when the British withdrew but left behind a plaque and flag basically saying "Ha! we still have a core on these islands, suckers". When Spain lost Argentina to revolution in 1811, the Spanish did the same thing, leaving a plaque that said the islands were still Spanish.

In 1820, an Argentine naval vessel wrecked on the islands and the survivors set up a flag and plaque themselves and claimed the islands for Argentina, then promptly got picked up and left the island.

In the late 1820's, the Brits and Argentines both tried colonizing the islands and by 1831, one of the Argentine expeditions had actually survived long enough to call it a colony, which was promptly sacked by a British frigate and declared res nullius. The Argentines rebuilt the colony, there was a mutiny, and the British showed up with a warship and demanded the new colony governor change out the Argentine flag for a British one (at gunpoint).

Been British ever since.

So....it's a legit dispute, imho. I don't think you can argue that leaving a plaque and a flag constitutes de jure ownership, nor does gunboat diplomacy.

The thing is, it's one of the world's biggest dick-waving contests over a piece of land that nobody really fucking wants, unless there's a significant economic need for fish, squid and bird poop.

[Helgoland]

I don't think you can argue that leaving a plaque and a flag constitutes de jure ownership

Actually it did use to work that way. That's why Germany used to have a very, very solid claim on most of Antarctica: Some Nazi exploration plane had dropped some flags there, and by the standards of the time that was sufficient for claiming ownership. Of course that claim was waved without too great a fuss soon after the war...

[martinuzz]

In Cologne, over 60 women have filed reports with the police, of being sexually harassed, robbed, and some even raped, during the festivities in the centre of the city on New Years Eve.
The Cologne chief of police, Wolfgang Albers,  says there was a group of about thousand Arab and North-African men roaming the center of Cologne, harassing and robbing people during the festivities. He calls it "an entire new dimension to crime", and "unacceptable that such crimes can occur in our city"


Holy shit, a 1000 man strong bandit gang. I mean, Cologne is not a small city, but that's still some crazy numbers. I wonder if it's real, or if those women filing charges and the chief of police are members of the extreme right trying to create hatred against immigrants.

[RedKing]

So far, the only new outlets to report that are Breitbart and noted Islamophobe Pamela Geller. ABCNews reports the allegation, but reports it only as an allegation.

Breitbart links to a video of a large group of people standing around a plaza while fireworks are shot off. That's pretty much all that happens. Comment section seems to be filled with German right-wingers, though my German is a bit weak to parse all of it.

[Bohandas]

I wonder if it's real, or if those women filing charges and the chief of police are members of the extreme right trying to create hatred against immigrants.

Possible third option: they could be using the kind of definition of sexual assault that's common on university campuses these days, where even something as harmless as commenting on a person's appearance qualifies as rape.

[martinuzz]

So far, the only new outlets to report that are Breitbart and noted Islamophobe Pamela Geller. ABCNews reports the allegation, but reports it only as an allegation.

Breitbart links to a video of a large group of people standing around a plaza while fireworks are shot off. That's pretty much all that happens. Comment section seems to be filled with German right-wingers, though my German is a bit weak to parse all of it.

I got it from our mainstream left-ish dutch newspaper de Volkskrant.